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  1. NLOXDP  113301662: (aside: start of previously post 1 last edited “Apr 1, 2014 9:22 AM”)
  2. NLOXDX  title history in reverse start-order:
    1. NLT9F1   “

      Everyone, including on Meetupwherever it would improve things, POST Often & Properly, including INSTEAD OF calls & especially messaging (including emails & even SMS) other than a {“tweet”=very short message} to point to, so alert/remind of [1 to ~3] posts.

      –{add “including on Meetup, ”},{links to keywords qty: 0 to 5}{put in h2-tag}.

    2. NLPFN4 “Everyone, wherever it would improve things, POST Often & Properly, including INSTEAD OF calls & especially messaging (including emails & even SMS) other than a {“tweet”=very short message} to point to, so alert/remind of 1 to ~3 posts.”
      –cleaned up phrasing, including reordering to put the promoted 1st and cutting all-caps to about bare minimum.
    3. MXNL2E prior (also original) version to next:
      “EVERYONE, {WHENEVER POSSIBLE|[wherever it would improve things, ]}, KINDLY

      AVOID PRIVATE MESSAGING&TALK (as calls,emails,&even SMS) other than to just direct-to-post
    4. NLT3NX  similar earlier sentiment in a similar article ~2 years earlier.
  3. NLOXG8   This is detailed in this and about 5 other similar articles on this site covering “posting” (to be eventually merged) but seemingly the most urgent stuff especially for Meetup is best covered here.
  4. MXNL75   the direction
    1. N3D0UL As I do continually, before sending any message or making a call, stop & think “How can I instead do this via post?” and do that (instead post it) whenever that does it better, which is usually the case.
    2. MXO29Q For most anything, you can and should post it, including to originally propose it.
    3. MXO29E If you’ve got something to related to our group, it generally belongs in a post and not a message (other than to (alert/remind) to look at & Reply to the post). Below tells for common types; and if still unsure, ask “Where do I post this?” as we aim to have a place for posting everything.
    4. NLQ8QS  Why?  A big net pro typically over messaging & calls. Pros thru cons:
      1. NLQD9W   messaging & calling is like crack cocaine –super easy & fun & cheap to start, plus done everywhere, but extremely addictive and very quickly terribly destructive (1st publication of this). In contrast, posting is like eating healthy meals.
      2. NLQDLK   Posting takes the time to find best long-term locations for matters.
      3. MXNN55  Posting is all very much per the founding-cleverness and grass-roots collaborative-spirit of without even knowing each others official names nor contacts, otherwise potential strangers post to plan a community event including readily without any official leaders–as grass-roots as conceivable!
      4. NLQ8UT   Generally you do not need to worry your wording & other content is just an draft/outline, has bugs, and/or is incomplete, so not yet ready for wide or even narrow distribution, as:
        1. NLQ96B   as unlike most all messages and verbal talk,
          1. NLQ986  posts can often be entirely changed after putting it out there (as posting)
          2. NLQ99L   posts are typically easily amended to (as commented on) afterwards, including sometimes with nested/threaded comments
          3. NLQ9BW   posts are typically not immediately announced
          4. MXO4DQ  Indeed most posts on Meetup are NOT widely announced as emailed out unless a group leader does so, say after approving it or wanting to advertise it more; indeed even after posting, you often still have to point people to it so they’ll see it.
      5. NLQDFF   Postings can be much better versioned, especially in better systems as wikis
      6. NLQDGS  more TBA
      7. NLQDPP   con regularly today, but gradually turning into a big pro: while posts potentially can be even more private, present posting systems still often lack many levels of privacy
      8. NLQDU8  long-term lesser con: people are still transitioning from messaging to posting
    5.  NLOXJN 113302402: (aside: start of previously post 3 last edited “Dec 20, 2013 11:28 PM”
      1. NLQFJZ  ASAP RSVP to our upcoming events 
        1. MXNS8P  where if MAYBE, say YES until certain it’s a NO, including since
          1. MXNSVS Assures you’ll get notified of updates
          2. MXNSVX Biggest easiest way for you to build attendance (your YES attracts more)
        2. NLQFKT   especially including your Why & more: see here.
        1. MXNNY0 Per our past meeting & now our new agenda[ (latest archive)],
          we are now increasingly having “PRESENTATIONS: small & sweet & regularly many & BY ATTENDEES THEMSELVES, sometimes spontaneous” (quoting that).
        2. MXNNY2 SO *YOU* (THE MEMBERS) DIRECT OUR TOPICS, maximally very democratically, via your posts on our event pages!
        3. MXNNY7 Plus ALLOWS MEMBERS to Reply post, so to
          • MXO1PY post feedback & experience with that, and
          • MXO1Q0 have a place to make+keep+SHARE notes on each topic&presentation and other posting
      3. NLQJHS  if you have trouble with something, especially any directive to you, ASAP clearly & respectfully & completely share that with its source
        1. MXNO8E  –as is the standard in most any organization which truly values its participants
        2. MXNO8W  including if you phrase it constructively as is best, then, best of all, post it as this article details.
        3. NLQJTO   note this follows from the italics of the general core directive “We strive to be PARTICIPANTS & A QUALITY TEAM, who seek fairness&ALL-to-win, &who do what’s expected or/and respectfully share their reasons, esp. for our current leaders, & here one could be u!” quoting from latest Q1 on every profile of .
        4. NLOXM2   113305032: (aside: this section was originally previous post 4 last edited “Dec 11, 2013 12:27 PM”)
  5. NLOXHU  113301762: (aside: start of previously post 2 last edited “Dec 20, 2013 11:10 PM”
  6. NLQC20   Rules including steps to properly post, in the order encountered when doing it:
    1. NLQBMJ   find & use the best posting location
        1. NLQCVB   Why?
          1. NLQCVX   “one thread per topic” is key so everything on that matter is found in one place.
          2. MXNNEH  “one topic per thread” is key including:
            1. NLQD2U   so topics aren’t scattered, again so everything on any matter is found in one place.
            2. NLQCTN  insuring our many readers here aren’t overwhelmed, including so one can Mute or otherwise ignore one thread on details not of interest w/o missing any other material s/he may want or need.
        2. NLSSXZ  Doing this for event comments is the most notable violation case on Meetup and there covers common problems & great solutions.

        3. MXNO8D  To help insure this, before posting, search for the best good matching existing post then click/add “Reply” on that; and ONLY IF none found, THEN create new top-level post
        4. NLQLGS   aside: “one thread per topic” is essentially “every topic in exactly 1 thread”
          1. MY5AHS  phrasing copied (and, for future, moved) from­ point {MKA77Q  ideally each topic in exactly 1 thread (a top-level event comment)}
      2.  NLQCA2   On, also…
        1. MXNNEJ post & reply-post in the right location from the start: it’s especially key to POST including reply-post IN THE RIGHT LOCATION!
          1. MXNO2R as Meetup very mistakenly does not allow anyone, even top group heads, to move a post even if it’s in the wrong location, nor compose a new post for anyone under his/her name but oneself, nor edit it (for event comments & Greets).
          2. NLSSYE   doing this for event comments is the most notable violation case on Meetup and there goes into details & solutions.
        2. MXO1Q4 For each,
          1. MXNNYI TOPIC or PRESENTATION OR Q or ANNOUNCEMENT you’d like us to do at one of our events, 
            1. MIUN5J  ideally should be proposed ASAP, ideally before the event so they can be advertised so bring in more attendees for them and/or for the event; but can & commonly are first brought up during the event
            2. NLQMRX  should include the links to the relevant {entries in our Discussion board and other past/upcoming events} if they exist.
            3. MEQNS3 should be posted by all members (not just leaders), in our event (the listing’s comments) where you’d most like it shared and be discussed-else-summarized there per NLQMWC 
            4. MKA7CG   –to find the relevant events and/or discussions to post-on and link-to, see our Home Page for a complete directory.
            5. MY5ANE  aside: this section copied (and, for future, moved) from “MEQNR7   The topics desired & offered:” to here then improved.
          2. MXO299 JOB WANTED OR OFFERED, or IN-DEPTH Q, or OTHER DETAILED ANNOUNCEMENT you want to ask/share-with the group especially if could span multiple events,
            1. NLQNHL  post it on our Discussion boards, in the appropriate forum for it (as “jobs” if that exists).
            2. NLQNHU   where this is not obvious (as for jobs offered & wanted), end your announcement with say “Please first reply on this thread” so all can see and possibly-benefit-from the responses you get
              1. NLQNM6   –we realize poster’s sometimes prefer first indeed all responses go privately to them but posters need to remember they’re getting the ability to speak and advertise to all our members at no up-front-cost and often never-a-cost, so this is the first way to pay us back for that.
          3. MXNO23 EVENT you’d like us to do that we aren’t already doing, including to tell of possibly-related events that are happening, as Meetup properly intends, on our Home Page, click “SCHEDULE A MEETUP”
          4. MXO4JY Meetup member that you want to contact,
            1. NLQCHE  as long as it say no more than 4 at a time,
              1. NLQCHY   formerly: post a Greet on his/her member profile with the URLs of whatever you want him/her to see.
            2. NLQCJE   On 2014.09~ Meetup HQ terminated & erased all Greets on all members profiles (a notable move backward IMHO) so instructions here need to be redesigned to this article’s post standards.
            3. NLQNUQ   Use of the Meetup-messaging facility, especially to individual members, should be minimized per the this article’s goals to avoid messaging.
          5. NLQE4B   RSVP, it belongs on the event listing (where Meetup also effectively posts it).
            1. NLQE7Y   See full details at our RSVP policy
        3. NLQEAT   Event listing comments
          1. NLSOMC  are terribly useful and near essential for sharing & syncing on finer event details for the many uses.
          2. NLQMWC   should discuss else summarize, so record, all what happened at the event, plus the prep for it and what came of it after including the reviews of it
            1. NLQN3X  so include/serve-as both the event’s agenda & minutes plus a central place to discuss & record all aspects of the event (except pics which are handled by the event listing’s picture upload).
            2. NLSNWG   via including the details there in the comments if they’re very short or, especially for longer and/or changing details, linking (giving the URL) to them elsewhere, as typically on the Meetup Discussion boards
          3. NLSO5R  In making every [event listing comment],
            1. NLSS1E  post & reply-post in the right location from the start, including:
              1. NLSS6F   full painful details here
              2. NLSNHT   Do OTPT&OTPT, including:
                1. NLSNIF   watch out: avoid the extremely common mistake: don’t create a new top-level event comment instead of replying to & on the existing thread for your reply –read that
                  1. NLQB0C  Examples:
                    1. MXNO8J For good example, see Jim’s reply post­
                    2. MXNO8R For mistaken example, see Ben’s 1st 2 posts on that event listing (both at top level when a thread already exists), what led me to make this cmt as Ben’s a sharp guy so others might have trouble, too.
                2. MXNNE9 so then, for example, for any event,
                    1. MXNTUP and including a link to the thread/page of every time it was given, if that exists
                    1. MXO1PW so if you want to update with why you’re coming or time you’re arriving/leaving or why or your overall review of the event, use exactly 1 separate thread for that
                3. MKA7I7   specifically, insure exactly 1 event comment thread exists to discuss & record (here quoting the thread titles):
                  1. NLSSFD    “{this happening & its listing} OVERALL –please put all on that here in this thread”
                  2. NLSSC3   “this happening’s WHERE & WHEN discussion & changes  –please put all on that here in this thread” (specification at Where & When, can be 1 thread but increasingly 2)
                  3. NLQN7P  each topic/announcement/Q/presentation
                  4. NLQN6D  each possible & actual person’s “PARTICIPATION at & REVIEW of this happening –please put all on that here in this thread” –quoting the phrase used to label each such thread there.
                  5. NLSSMB   and probably more given the comprehensive charter.
            2. MXNN58  it’s easier & better-quality to 1st draft each post in a text editor that that can count characters (as max 500 per Meetup event listing comment), ideally count any text selection: currently I use:
              1. MXO29I  for very small, an event listing’s main comment box (but typically avoid posting there as that’s top-level)
              2. MXO29J  for bigger, I use LibreOffice Writer, which nicely is also FOSS­ & cross-platform­.
              3. NLSNDP   also covered here.
            3. NLSO8F   also covered  here
          4. MKA7N5  and when you’re ready to absorb it all, see the full details at “ event listing comments: all you need to know but doesn’t tell you”.
    2. NLQ9OO   For writing posts and most any writing:
      1. NLQDZ6   Make the topic worded clearly and put at the start of the point and/or (if short) in ALL CAPS.
      2. MXNN5A Ideally use outline format, with 1 “*” bullet for each nesting level (as “***” before a level-3 point)
        1. NLT8WB  more covered here
      3. MXO29F For every keyword you use, include besides it a URL for it, ideally a the Wikipedia URL else the maker’s URL, unless it is the group’s main topic or would be found in the dictionary and even then if there might be someone who wouldn’t know it; do not assume everyone knows what you’re referring to AND where to find it.
      4. NLQG9W   the message-conveyed, starting with the author’s intentions for it, must be overall constructive, not destructive
    3. NLQEWM Use a private messaging & talk primarily just to direct & remind of a post, pointing to where (the URL)
      1. MXNN5C as, SMS

        12/10/13 7:01 PM 14 hours ago
        Me: Hey, Jim. Quite looking fwd to ur presentation tomorrow . So how’s it coming? -just Reply post there now with ur status, then Reply post there with ur slides if&when u have them. Thx!

      2. NLQEZL   after your post, it’s a good idea and sometimes essential to Meetup Greet else SMS else email the person(s) needing to see it the URL else they may not see it in time or ever.
        1. MXO4OM  unless maybe for an event comment post (which, ~5 minutes after posting, Meetup emails to every profile responding on that page unless the profile owner turned it off)
          1. NLQKRQ  but still regularly people miss email especially this including from having this turned off, else see it hours later which could be too late, so is often still needed to send a pointing “tweet” message.
      3. NLQKSG   More examples TBA.
  7. NLOXMM   125001432: (aside: start of previously post 5 last edited “9/10/14 8:45 AM”)
    1. NLQKI2  –this section is notably less essential than the above but still to be eventually integrated into the rest of this article, especially the additional important points it makes.
    2. NBOZ2S Just now I’m replying to another on planning for today’s event, which Mark emails out instead of posting (of course since he sent it out before I had fully-written and told him of this thread), and in it I summarize perhaps the core essentials of my above very long reply pretty well
      NBOZA6 *well enough it makes good sense to instead move that summary here where it is on topic, and instead make that point in that email a link to here.
      NBOZAJ so here’s the summary

      1. Date: [today; exact TBA]
        From: Destiny
        To: Mark
        CC: Farsheed
        Subject: RE: [today’s event planning]
      2. Body: quote(NBNRIT Dear Mark,)
        1. ..
        2. NBODL2 I would take it you don’t yet know, but by our long established posting guideline/rule [also in the 1st post of this thread] taken from years of use in other successful Meetup groups and added & posted on our group in 2013.12 months before you joined our group, this written discussion (currently email thread), as most every group writing, instead is to take place in a proper post
          1. NBOE2C as here, since this for an event, ideally in event comments (broken into the thread), or else a Meetup discussion thread ideally only one for the event for more organizer mostly stuff, and avoiding all emails.
          2. NBOXBW But since here the talk about the group was started in email, correcting emails talk then require moving them to where their content would have been originally started –into posts, which by default all could access –as our group is public even-non-profit community group (so like public servants with public records as much as possible and of course by default -think open-source project where how the internals are done are shown, and list of helpers which is necessarily large (as typically no one is paid) changing and truly unpredictable) and definitely NOT say a private for-profit business (so private readily select clients and internals which are by default private even trade-secrets –think propriety closed-source project, and with a set of helpers which is small, well-known & highly-controlled, and typically-paid)
          3. NBOY5U Specifically by wherever possible making group writings as posting, most especially the start else ASAP, which by default can technically be accessed by anyone (important because the list of who could help if they had access is commonly unknown so impossible to predict including frequently changes -my last point) but which in practice really is only accessed just by helpers present past & future, and so usual privacy worries (where one would feel “I need to have private talk & messaging”) are generally far overrated, as clear far more practical, plus properly respectful as a public & community group, is to grant access to those who might need it, which again is impossible to determine changing list and routinely larger than one imagines (there’s always someone you never guessed who could help).
          4. NBOE4Z But this using posting following our rule, especially when it requires emails to be converted to such posts, has been put stopped, so put on hold, by you (as new Head) and Farsheed’s Monday preference statement to unilaterally (as worded) not to convert emails to posts [with different especially more public access levels] so to where the content would normally go (which others would have probably said too if they didn’t yet see this bigger picture as were deeply aware of this great term rule); so while I very want to see that worked out as possible notably back to our posting standard, until then I will continue this via email.
          5. ..
  8. NLOXPI (aside: end of source postings)

  9. NLOW6J section additional history, in start-time order:
    1. NLOW79 This content I originally posted as thread
      1. NLOWE1  as I 1 of the effectively 2 major co-founders of that group
      2. NLOWEA   and heavily referred to it, for this and other groups I was managing, in every event listing and more, as “more via cmts” in
      3. NLOWJJ   with latest forever archive copy here –wise to Meetup-enabled destruction, I backed it up, and indeed:
      4.  NLOWIO   then just now 2015.03.23Mon17 I discovered that that group’s new leader(s) (Meetup makes it easy to hide which ones but its likely its new head since 2015.08) has silently deleted this my post plus the agenda this references plus all my other postings there, among his/their other even worse erasure of the group’s co-founder –where all destruction fits the pattern of one attempting to erase all existence of those (in this case me) with knowledge of his serious apparent wrongdoings: here my witnessing he apparently stole our group so then me asking him so unknowingly revealing I knew
    2. NLOXB9  so ~1hr ago, as reliable home for this important content, I create from scratch this post then copy the archived content here, just sub-section per post.
      1. NLQ375 from the start, cut this text as it now applies, “N3D0Z9=This content I will move-so-redirect to and merge into…­ as it applies much more than to this group.”
      2. NLQ1ZP   -linking to this point are post start markers from the {previous=original} location and the last archived modification date of that post along with its anchor ID, preserved here especially so prior references to that point (that post) can still be found.
    3. NLOYE5  in title, added “[wherever it would improve things, ]” to be fully accurate
    4. NLOYKY todo: improve formatting some especially convert copied point ids (as “N3D0UL”) into proper HTML id/anchors and cutting unneeded “{..}”: done
    5. NLOYSU add to categories “writing LGYLMM” (esp due to NLQ9OO) and “post LXYYH2”
    6. NLOZ0X  create category “messaging NLOZ0X” (and add this to)
    7. NLOZ6H  create category “telephone calling NLOZ6H” and add to
    8. NLOZFJ  create category “verbal NLOZFJ” but don’t add to
    9. NLP0C2 create category “emailing NLP0C2” but don’t add to
    10. NLP0SA  Todo: update (as “more via cmts”):  done
      1. NLP0U5 from its original thru present target –which no longer works
      2. NLQQI5   now replace to , also a more motivating location.
    11. NLP0VT publish 1 2015.03.23MonPst18:53.
    12. NLPEWL do NLOYKY & NLPFN4 & NLQ375;
    13. NLQ5I7   todo: clean up much of the writing clarity especially organizational problems: done
    14. NLQ5KK  publish 2 2015.03.24TuePst0924.
    15. NLQ721   NLOXDX: updated to new format of simple history including removing “NLPFLY:  history in reverse start-order”
    16. NLQ8HD   doing NLQ5I7: ~4hours of work; cut as no longer needed “MXNN5G with more essentials in my next posts below.”; cut as not directly related: “MY5A8D Additional text copied (and, for future there, moved) from­ to here: [just MKA7N5]”; arranged “start of previously post” to fall nearest their original locations;  NLQQI5; publish 3 2015.03.24TuePst1702.
    17. NLTYB9 motivated by NLSR9J,
      1. NLSJ5Y did significant improving especially to NLQEAT; add NLT9F1; add to category “rule N0BY8E” as this is mostly rules; add ; add categories “Universal Rules & Guidelines for L2PFGY LR7MKT” and “ bug LSXLEY”
      2. NLTYDG spellcheck; remove “ol class=”fakeOL” type=”1″” and other “fake”; apply N14GIY plus 2 manual fixes it mysteriously not spot; cut 1st point “NLOYC3   status: see section additional history” since universal #M7AUKR‘ publish again 2015.03.26ThuPst11:49.