Sep 102011
 

LRBF47 Communicating in the Best Location, especially with Meetup.com http://1.JotHere.com/LRBF47

  1. This is the communication part of the intermediate level of On Meetup, etiquette & things-to-know, especially when RSVPing LEVV22

    –see that for more essential guidelines & rules.

  2. In communicating, where you communicate is King, so notably for most anything involving multiple people (groups & organizations & announcements more), you should (communicate foremost by appropriate posting)LRBX9W in-place-of private & direct messages & calls & talk.

    Any person in the building business (as real-estate agent or construction) knows “Location, Location, Location! -Location is King”: that you can have the most fancy house or office complex or warehouse, but if it’s in the wrong or even not-the best location, it can be practically worthless. And not just if the building is in the desert or a polar cap, but more subtle things, as if the building is near a fault line (earth quakes), on a toxic dump or sink hole, in the path of a leaky dam, or in the wrong neighborhood, or lacking public transit or parking (or perhaps bathrooms), or even though it’s in a populated area, simply just not where people will see & look for it and stop by. There are so many subtle reasons that people often miss but that cause the nicest building can become almost worthless due to location, this is probably why those who know say it 3x: “Location, location, location! Location is king!”

    Well this is just as true in communication, most especially in the next big, online “real-estate” (websites & the Internet) plus the fact that we have increasingly too many different ways to communicate instead of a few solid ways. “Location, location, location!”

    But similarly many people, indeed most people, are slow to get this, including
    Many/most people just think “Just pick up the phone or send an email or SMS or other private message” when it comes to things as “supporting” their Meetup group or any group being coordinated online, instead of posting on their group in the appropriate place (and not just for RSVPs (so everyone else can also see who’s coming & not) but for scheduling & planning & everything else, too), though that “tiny” choice (a private message instead of
    (communicating foremost by appropriate posting)LRBX9W) easily makes the difference if their currently small or mildly-active dies or thrives –often even more that what they say! –because if a group is coordinated online, but people don’t see that happening online (and ideally where they can reply back), then they can’t-well & won’t participate.

    Here as some real & common examples showing location is key, notably that (communicating foremost by appropriate posting)LRBX9Winstead of doing private messages & calls, in other words the very same words but just in the right location (posting instead of messaging & calls), causes not just more success but dramatically more:

    1. The story. Before when the world was mostly just sending private messages, a good encyclopedia had to be bought, was very limited in scope, and cost $1000s of dollars. But after Wikipedia declared “here is the location the world can post on what “golf” is” (or “communication” millions of other topics, which users could also propose), well then the most advanced & up-to-date encyclopedia of all time was born, and at practically everyone’s fingertips (with only a web browser), replacing all other encyclopedias, and for free. With private messages, and even email lists, this likely would NEVER have happened; but with an official posting location, this ~#3 site on the Internet was born.
    2. The true story. I run a notable Meetup group, OCAndroid (The Android Developers/Users of Orange County), but was on a family reunion in Hawaii and had poor cell & Internet access (and, um, was distracted) when the group was to have its 15th Classic monthly meeting. And (um, again) the person who normally books our meeting room waited until hours just before our meeting time to book our meeting room, so again found the room booked. Now he should have immediately posted this on our event listing (as I had told him infinite times, don’t use private messages, but post), but he didn’t; instead he went back to his old habits and tried to phone and SMS and email me the top leader; but fortunately this time my direct communications failed; so finally, unable to think of anything else to do but the right thing, he then did the right thing: he posted his dilemma on the event listing (you can see it there at 2:05pm) –only 4hours before the meeting does he share we actually have no room; well Meetup then automatically emailed all attendees, since event comments are relevant to them. And within 1 hour of his post, one of the attendees, indeed someone who no one else knew and had never spoken up before so we never would have thought to directly ask (so direct communication would have failed), well he posted back “I have a location” -that he could get us a replacement room-, and so other attendees saw that and posted back that they could make that & it sounds fine, so then then all attendees were redirected (including subsequent RSVPs, because the updates were on the event listing), and the meeting went off fine without a hitch — about 15 people showing –, and without even me, the top group leader & normal meeting host, having to be involved!
      This is an excellent example of how Meetup is (here brilliantly) designed to run (and will run) a local group even when the top organizer(s) disappear —(Meetup.com is a top example of (communicate foremost by appropriate posting))LRBX6U— indeed this sort of thing happens all the time on Meetup & in life (someone you never would have thought to ask pops up and saves the day), indeed (By communicating-only-via-appropriate posting, Meetup accomplishes the unthinkable, including groups organically running themselves without real names nor direct contacts nor addresses & phones for anyone, and (as of 2010) without even leaders)LRC8UWbut only if people do the right thing and post in the appropriate places instead of sending private messages. .
      Indeed, knowing this, had the room booker been able to contact me, all I would have done would be to repost his message on the event listing (causing this also to happen) and tactfully growled at him for not having done that directly indeed explaining it would have been so much better (showing other member’s participation) had it come direct from him. But since in this case I was fortunately inaccessible, finally he was had no other choice other than to do the right thing, and it worked beautifully. I certainly hope he’s learned his lesson now (though in his case, nothing would surprise me) and more important, you, too, can internalize the importance of “posting appropriately instead of private messaging”.
    3. What sort of leader are you going to be for your organization & group?–Especially if you are here in America or other free & democratic country.

      Are you going to be a “leader” who lets others believe (maybe even yourself believe) that you are participatory & democratic & transparent when it comes your group & to those you lead, when in fact the very first thing you do when you want to setup a new event or activity or just figure out what to do is to make private calls, do private chats, and send private emails & messages, that most everyone in your group aren’t a part of and probably can’t see, so then instantly excluding all your other members from the planning & scheduling processes (yes, even if you don’t intend it, they can’t see this! And if you or somebody takes the time to record & post all this planning (which very likely won’t happen), by that time it’s probably too late –the talk has already been done); no, rather, probably you’re not even thinking, when you pick up that phone or send that email, how excluding you’re being to most everyone else who isn’t so fortunate to be seeing this talk about their group –indeed probably no more aware of this wrong than a person 20 years ago casually referring to say “homosexuals” as “faggots” –that is before society has trained & got you to think about how unkind & wrong you to others that you were being. But as a leader especially you are responsible for being aware of the subtle overtones, including very importantly that your location (for communication) indeed matches the goals of your groups.
      Or instead are you going to be a leader who doesn’t just-kind-of-wants & just-talks-about having a transparent & participatory & democratic organization, but does it, and does it immediately & continually, from the very start of every significant communication: by choosing & doing an appropriate posting location (instead of messaging & totally-private talk) for all official communication & business whenever possible, including where everyone-who-should-be-allowed would expect to find it, can listen, and ideally can participate in it.
      This latter choice (an appropriately open, standard, communication venue for all official business, including writing & posting key talk & decisions) has long been done & and is required for courts (including stenographers & admissible evidence), city & government council meetings (with publicly posted minutes), plus corporation meetings & minutes. All of this is taken very seriously because it works & is essential and has been well-thought-out & tested. Well just because you’re some other a small group (nor a big one) does NOT at all mean you shouldn’t be doing this, too (you should!) and, thanks to Web 2.0 sites as Meetup, you can very easily & cheaply.
    Location, location, location! Yes, for communication, too. –because where something was said is easily & often more important in the long term than what was said, for, if picked right (as most notably posting in the appropriate location ((communicate foremost by appropriate posting)LRBX9W) instead of private messaging, calls, & chat), then the right location also it enables the rest of the community to actually see & participate, too (indeed as they’ve likely been promised as part of democracy & transparency), and (indeed the core philosophy behind democracy), the more participating, the more likely things will get done & done right..
  3. M7ZP66 “Don’t tell just me, tell the website!”: wherever it can work (so often mostly), communicate by posting typically on “the web location for it”, notably instead of ((messaging (as email & SMS) and verbal talk (including telephone calls)) especially when private & not-immediately posted) http://1.JotHere.com/ap0

    1. M7ZRZ2  For instance,

      1. M7ZTO9 Want to thank, or give constructive feedback to, a person or a group for an event they helped host or a job they did?
        Well if you want it to mean something (including to them) and be taken fully serious, then above all POST IT on the event or job so to meaningfully tell everyone who might benefit, as tell it in your event rating; as
        if you just tell it verbally or even as a private message (as an SMS or email), your words are typically quickly overlooked, forgotten, and unknown.

      2. M7ZS3K News & info about venues is posted on (the venue’s thread=in here in OCAndroid) so all can see, benefit, & reply.

        1. M7ZTFS -now created from http://Meetup.com/OCAndroid#LTED3B on “Read more about us”.
      3. M7ZS6X For jobs (recruiters especially, take note!), one (posts the need as a thread in (the forum of Jobs Offered & Wanted=here in OCAndroid) and (at least for the reply, encourages reply posts there rather than privately contacting back); the forum’s also private so other employers can’t see.

        1. M7ZTHR -now created from http://Meetup.com/OCAndroid#LTED7B on “Read more about us”.
      4. M7ZSB3 In at least in-person groups, NO POSTING DIRECT CONTACTS (as phone #s & emails) except for carpooling & finding-at-a-group-event.)

        1. M7ZTJO -now created from http://Meetup.com/OCAndroid#LTECMG on “Read more about us”.
    2. LHQBHP  Why?

      1. LHQCLG  Show everyone your participation and speak-up, especially supportively, where all possibly interested & appropriate can see/hear. It’s contagious and makes groups & organizations come alive!
      2. M7ZUTK  Shows & causes honesty. “Don’t just tell me, tell the website (everyone possible)” insures & keeps the speaker from telling one story & acting & treating one way with one person or group and another with another person or group.
        1. M7ZV70 If someone tells it on their public-or-group profile where it can be (ideally publically) contested if wrong, one has much better assurance that what the person says is true.
      3. M7ZUYO  Seriously avoids repetition, indeed largely eliminates the need.
      4. M7ZXCK Typically creates a great easy record of the conversation including who said what & when.
      5. M7ZV0L  Provides a central point for further discussion & info to be found.
      6. M7ZV1F Allows efforts (of not just one, but potentially many people) to concentrated to get the words & info right, instead of everyone wasting their time repeating,
      7. M7ZT0Y for groups & organizations of all sorts (especially where attendees aren’t living together), including Meetup groups, huge benefits:
        1. M7ZTCZ (Here LTECO0=With each other (and ideally everyone), members should
        2. LEXKEY  Beyond the obvious, members doing this, especially “in writing” (#3) “where anyone possibly interested can see/hear” (#2) is essential on Meetup, especially for small, new, and/or growing groups!!
          1. LHQC6L  as every Meetup’s group’s success is measured by if one can see many members frequently & recently speaking-up on the group site,
            1. LHQC6Z  starting first with many individual RSVPs of YES and RSVPs of MAYBE or NO explaining why but still positive).
            2. LHQC7A  as Meetup makes it easy for members to visibly participate in-writing online, indeed requires them to for at least joining & RSVPing, so if people DON’T communicate publicly on their Meetup group, the Meetup group will be judged to be “not happening”.
          2. LHQC81  see also this is especially key on key on Meetup 3 reasons.
          3. LHQCCJ What difference does it make?
            1. M7ZSYJ A Meetup group with 300 members where events are awesome but no but the leaders & organizers speak-up online will easily die (take for instance http://Meetup.com/AsianFriendster , currently in risk of closing).
            2. M7ZSZ1 But a Meetup group with just 3 non-leaders/organizers regularly speaking-up online in support, especially RSVPing with positive comments, will almost certainly grow leaps & bounds with more people seeing & doing the same.
      8. M7ZXJ6 Allows money to be earned by the content created, as via embedded ads and even tracking who views it when.
        1. M7ZXLK In other words, the thing that generates 100% of Facebook‘s revenue!
      9. M7ZXDJ Con: sometimes takes a little more planning up-front before one starts to communicate.
      10. M7ZXGB Con: requires organization & websites work to develop these tools.
      11. M7ZXGG Biggest con: Takes getting participants out of existing (bad) habits (thus the need for this post)
    3. M7ZSNT Real examples

      1. LX5EKK=Facebook appears to deeply do this (well beyond Meetup), at least in that it understands to only put real content on the website and NEVER in email (except perhaps if in own web email replacement for standard email, where ads can then be embedded). In particular, unlike Meetup, Facebook emails users (via normal=SMTP email) almost no significant details in the email itself: rather these emails contain minimal enough information to give you notice & to get you to come to the Facebook website, as say ~”10 people have added as a Friend in the last week. See your profile at http://Facebook.com/…!” (note only summary information, never specifics). Indeed, in way Facebook fairly uniquely does this so fully, I suspect Facebook’s motives here are only secondary to help it’s users share their content (unlike Meetup’s motives seem to be, as they pioneered wiki-like event scheduling) but to first generate maximum advertising dollars, as I don’t know of any ads which are very effective in email but there are tons of ads very profitable on web pages: enough to generate 97% of Google’s income last I heard and for Facebook, probably even more.
      2. By either brilliance or luck, Meetup.com is very much designed according to realization (communicate foremost by appropriate posting)LRBX9W including has very much designed it’s groups to readily succeed if only their members follow this great principle (communicate foremost by appropriate posting)LRBX9W; in particular, in a Meetup group, virtually all essential group planning & organizing communication very-effectively is designed to be & should be done online by posting in the appropriate place on the Meetup group’s website.
        1. Groups which do this generally take-off & flourish, because even if one person (including the leader) is wrong & doesn’t have all the answers, others do, so together there is most always notable group-intelligence; and then once people see other members doing this the right thing (posting), everybody starts doing it and the group can explode in success). But Meetup groups that don’t have enough people doing this (communicating foremost by appropriate posting) generally die. Indeed, if you want a Meetup group to succeed (as the Meetup groups you belong to), the simplest essential is that many/most people need to be posting in the appropriate places instead of direct/private communication.
        2. And when the members of a Meetup group do (communicate foremost by appropriate posting)LRBX9W, per Meetup’s (here brilliant) design, the results are astonishing, something most group organizers would never think possible until they discovered Meetup; for a Meetup group can run productively with regular& varied in-person local emails

          * without every giving out (nor asking) anyone’s phone number (nor even real name), yes even to group leaders; Meetup doesn’t even collect real names & phone #s
          * without ever giving out anybody’s email (yes, even to group leaders; only Meetup has a person’s email)
          * and, most remarkable of all, even if all the group leaders disappear (members can still communicate & schedule & announce events, especially starting 2010): yes, a Meetup group can run itself even with no one in charge! -indeed see the example
          (Posting-appropriately-instead-of-private-messaging saves the meeting, even when there is no room & host!)LRBRAF; and that’s just the beginning: by default, any group member can propose an event and if 2 or 3 more say they want to go, the event becomes official & is emailed out to all the members & happens, even if all leaders are now are 6-feet under: indeed a Meetup group can run without any leaders! (provided merely that someone is paying to host it).
        3. But a Meetup group (and any group coordinated online) can only do these amazing & good things only if its members follow (communicate foremost by appropriate posting)LRBX9W; but when they don’t, indeed the more people start directly communicating info instead of posting, these great benefits quickly break down and can’t be fixed (by Meetup nor any website) as the important bits of info which many people & show the interest in participation, well these are now elsewhere & typically in private so can’t be & generally-won’t be properly shared.
        4. referring to (communication foremost by appropriate posting)LRBX9W

          1. It wouldn’t be surprising if one wanted to talk to other members of an online group (such as Meetup), especially if one wanted to lead & organize them, that one would expect to directly email or call them. But this is NOT how Meetup groups work (but rather how they can fail as explained in the prior paragraph): indeed Meetup doesn’t even have the real names & phone numbers of its members (doesn’t even collect them) and won’t give out the email addresses of group of members, even to the Head Organizer; in fact Meetup makes it fairly hard to collect this info (emails, phone #s, real names, & even zip codes), though I’ve pioneered a remarkably effective way, but still I only really use it to remind folks to post replies. Why? Well, what actually makes a Meetup group succeed:

          2. Rather an often-unspoken essential of every Meetup group is to minimize private communications (if they have anything to with the group planning or members joining, leaving, and doing various jobs & titles) and instead have nearly all such (communication foremost by appropriate posting)LRBX9W on the group website in the appropriate place –as doing so is typically essential for the Meetup group’s survival, as (Meetup.com is a top example of (communicate foremost by appropriate posting))LRBX6U explains.

          3. Seemingly few people would guess this (including I certainly didn’t until I started really leading groups).

            Sure, maybe thanks to eVite, people seem to get the fact that they need to RSVP on the site (rather than calling & emailing the event listers) so the website can tally up the expected attendance, but then that’s all the posting on the site one would need, right? Wrong! You see on eVite you already had the email addresses of the people you were inviting do you probably already knew them. But Meetup is much more ambitious; here on Meetup you much more ambitiously have strangers inviting strangers to join them, indeed form whole groups out of total strangers you’ve never seen before, and a stranger is probably NOT going to RSVP to event posted by some other stranger in some also unknown group, unless s/he sees other members writing posts (ideally favorable ones, but even an argument is better than an unknown). In short, a person generally needs posts by others on the group site in order to even get significant RSVPs.
            Moreover what new leader, or any person, is really going to even imagine any group can run itself without phone #s, & emails, in fact no address for anyone?! But Meetup accomplishes it, and with mostly-flying colors; indeed (By communicating-only-via-appropriate posting, Meetup accomplishes the unthinkable, including groups organically running themselves without real names nor direct contacts nor addresses & phones for anyone, and (as of 2010) without even leaders)LRC8UW –unprecedented!
            So of course many people, including new group leaders, don’t realize this (that direct/private communication is mostly bad & often difficult or impossible, and that other members’ posting on the group (besides say the Head Organizer) isn’t just nice but essential for the group to survive), that is they don’t realize these until perhaps they’ve lead a Meetup group for many months (including for topic(s) which are specialized (an important but small interest, such as the groups I’ve worked on (OCPerl, OCLinux, OCAndroid, UUYA-US-CA-OC), as opposed to stumbling on some hugely popular topic with a catchy name (such as good times in Orange County, OC-Good-Life) so not actually having to work much to grow the group); doing specialized interests, as I have done, then a leader actually has to work to get active members, so found out by hard-knocks what really is making a Meetup group work under the hood).
          4. Meetup makes no direct mention of this (probably in their typical attempt to be overly simple, hoping people “just get” this radically different way of managing local groups); so instead Meetup just encourages people in most every possible way to RSVP & suggest events, which is good, but members then still don’t get that not only is (communication foremost by appropriate posting)LRBX9W good, it’s essential for the group’s survival, why I then spell out here.

        5. In practice, even a leader him/herself follows (communication foremost by appropriate posting)LRBX9W strictly, s/he can still easily set a bad examples for those who don’t yet understand & internalize this need, by the leader “just wanting to be friendly” so giving to those interested in the group the leader’s direct email and/or phone #. As then the newcomer contacts the leader directly (instead of via the best & normal Meetup channels: by joining & posting on the group website), very often with great ideas & compliments but which the leader doesn’t need to hear but which the newcomer really needs to instead be posting on the group website to have effect, but now the leader has established the habit in the newcomer of contacting him/her directly and it will be hard for the leader to get the newcomer to instead repost on the group website (the newcomer may even be insulted, as if his compliments are then not good enough to be received) and Meetup provides no formal way for the even the Head Organizer to repost the person’s feedback, so much or all the effect of the complements & support are lost.

          So should group leaders not give out their direct contacts with regards to their group(s) except to those who the leader is sure understand & internalize (communication foremost by appropriate posting)LRBX9W? I am not to this point but considering it.
  4. LHPXDE Communicate foremost by appropriate posting, typically on “the web location for it”:

    1. Wherever possible (so often mostly), communicate:

      1. LHPXJ3  foremost in the appropriate place(s) —see that (in fact, just doing that alone typically assures these remaining criteria), and
      2. LEXK6I  where all those possibly interested can see/hear and where the rest won’t be disrupted, and
      3. LEXK7Q  in writing & pictures else via time-taking announcements (verbal & audio & visual), and
      4. LEXK9T  where speakers & viewers can correct, clarify, update, & add points with minimal trouble to everyone.
    2. M7ZYJ9 Typically this is part of “Don’t tell just me, tell the website!” where it is the most key part.
      1. M7ZYP0 so see that, including for much on Why & Real examples.
  5. LEXKCD Communicating otherwise

    For group/member administration & planning (and ideally more topics), instead use messaging (emailing, & SMS/texting), phone calls, & more-private-conversations ONLY when & while Communicate foremost by appropriate posting isn’t working or can’t work
    as there is a legitimate exception (listed here roughly from most to least likely), so instead do as it specifies:

    1. LHPW7D The person isn’t sufficiently receptive/cooperative when just Communicate foremost by appropriate posting,
      1. LHPX3V In this case, do Communicating otherwise to the absolute minimum until you them to Communicate foremost by appropriate posting.
      2. Give them a short message.

        email else SMS/text else phone-call else talk-in-person
        saying say:

        Did u get Meetup’s email2u on this? Awaiting ur reply post to&at http://meetu.ps/44nm8[or whatever the URL is, preferably the short URL] esp per http://1.JotHere.com/ap0 (pls read,2)

        Asking the question(s) makes them realize that Meetup should be notifying them and how to make sure that it is and to find that email and/or be on the lookout for it, helping as much as possible to make sure they won’t need this reminder in the future if the problem is they just aren’t seeing or getting the notices.
        Saying she http://1.JotHere.com/ap0 is Communicate foremost by appropriate posting and is important to include so they will know what is best & expected, further insuring they won’t need this reminder again..
        Avoid including any significant details in the message (other than what will get them to do this) as this potentially disruptive message short plus, most importantly, it keeps all significant details out of messages (especially out of private messages) and instead where it belongs: on the website in the proper place.
    2. LHPX0U The website isn’t sending adequate alerts of changes & new info that needs someone’s attention
      1. LHPWWA This is commonly needed on Meetup because Meetup does a poor job of alerting people when someone has replied/posted to a discussion which needs their attention (including the alerts are off by default, and easily get overlooked in the other email Meetup sends out which gives way too much detail & frequency.).
      2. LHPX2D In this case, give a short message as (keep-up message)LRCCXJ except:

        saying say:

        Do u hv http://Meetup.com/OCDreamweaver/settings set2email u when new posts? Did u see that daily email? As awaiting ur reply posts to&at my posts starting http://meetup.com/ocdreamweaver/messages/boards/thread/15305822#53177962 . Thx!

        The remainder specs, as “Asking the question(s)” and “Avoid including any significant details”, as apply here.
    3. LHPWAZ The facilities aren’t yet there: No adequate posting/conference facilities, such as:
      1. LEXKDZ when it’s a sensitive/more-private issue but there is no mechanism to make a post/conference private to just some group
        1. LHPWL1 This is a notable deficiency on Meetup, at least for any group which is serious about what quality membership means. Yes, in Meetup, a group can be made private, but what is frequently needed (instead) is make a discussion private to just some subgroup when some sensitive issue arises (such a member or leader who is breaking rules and/or not fulfilling his/her title), but Meetup provides no support for this.
        2. As a workaround, I’ve 2 of 2 times used a private text (Writely) document within Google Docs.
    4. LEXKD6 Communicating this way (as via website posts) can’t be safely or readily done
      1. LHPYMY as while driving. Indeed in California there are laws against typing (or at least texting) but one can talk/call.
      2. But know with just a phone with a web browser, seemingly all basic RSVPing & posts on Meetup can be done with just a smartphone, including there are Meetup apps for both iPhone & Android, plus an ordinary phone web-browser generally works, so “can’t be readily done” is usually a poor excuse and “can’t be safely done” is only really an excuse when one is running late (to the point where one can’t take a moment to pull over!) which one shouldn’t be.
    5. Note meeting-in-person is NOT an excuse to not (also) do Communicate foremost by appropriate posting for group admin & planning & more, as then participants (at least 1 designated to do this and more if possible) should be posting live-notes on the discussion thread for the event to, ideally in real-time, capture the in-person meeting for recordkeeping & sharing & to allow remote participants (remote “attendees”) to participate as well; at the very minimum, quickly after the meeting, posts should be made of what happened.
  6. LEXG7U Communicate (as post) in the appropriate places

    1. LHPXW0 This is particularly important on Meetup as unfortunately on Meetup even the Head Organizer can’t move your post for you it’s in the wrong place.
    2. LHPXKU When to use each communication place on Meetup, from the-most-common to the-ideally-least-frequent places:
      1. LEXHR6 Use the RSVP mechanism for your RSVP including give your reasons for attending or not & when in your RSVP comment else event Talk posts.
      2. LEXHRI For issues of <=500 characters (AND which you probably won’t later need to correct, as here it’s immediately emailed out)
        1. LEXHVS If it’s just between two people, post a Greet on that person’s profile.
          1. LEXRYN If it’s something group related, post the Greet on the person’s group profile
          2. LEXRZG if it’s not specific to any one group (typically NOT what you want), post the Greet on the person’s main Meetup profile (LEXRZZ Note another Meetup bug: Meet up’s “Reply” to greet posts the reply on the person’s Main profile even if they posted it on your group profile, which virtually always NOT what you want; don’t use “Reply” and instead post directly on the person’s group profile.).
          3. LEXS5E Note every Greet is immediately emailed to the person greeted.
          4. LEXQXN Common uses of greets are to ask someone special to: (1) join a group, or (2) even more commonly, give their RSVP for an event, or (3) even more commonly, complete some post they started (as “Complete your answer to your profile Q#2” or “Update ur RSVP why you’re not coming” or “what you’re MAYBE depends on” or “What hour range then you’ll be there”). Among other benefits, this is very useful, to potentially everyone, to keep an organized record of what’s been specially asked of you and everyone and ideally why: just look at the profile. However the proper reply to these is generally NOT to Greet or email back, specifically NOT to give the answers back via Greet or email as that’s not where these answers belong (clearly these answers are NOT just for the person asking), but to complete or update the requested post (as RSVP or profile Qs) with the appropriate info which (on Meetup) only the answer can do.
        2. LEXHYH Else (if it potentially applies to multiple people/RSVPs) but if it’s still specific to just this event (plus future & past ones if something simple), post as it as an event Talk. Note every Talk post is immediately emailed to everyone currently RSVPed YES or MAYBE.
      3. LEXHYX Virtually everything else, post within an Discussion (creating a new one if one doesn’t exist) AND THEN if it could especially-apply to a particular event(s) or person(s), also post a descriptive link to that post where it may apply via the appropriate method(s) above. Note discussion posts are easily updated & corrected (both additional posts added AND each can be edited) including they are NOT emailed and additions/updates are absolutely (& too) minimally disruptive to others (only links to which discussions have new posts emailed out at midnight (only once per day), and only to those who subscribe).
      4. LHPXMV Only use email, including both individual & group emailing via Meetup, when necessitated by rule communicating otherwise.
    3. LHPZ5P Reply via the same mechanism you received from (as if “If you receive a Greet, Greet back”, etc.) unless:
      1. LHPZ8J that would violate communicate ideally[@@link to be fixed], typically because either/or:
        1. LHPZEI the person is communicating via not-the-best mechanism (very common)
          1. LHPZIT In this case, instead in the appropriate place, reply as explained here.
            1. LHQ3BH as in this real example, a Talk post (on this event listing):

              Feb23 10:56AM, attendee Ramin Meetup-emailed me just “I canceled &re-signed up as u suggested. Is that what u needed?”
              * Thx 4followup.
              * I guess ur replyg 2my above post “New attendees (Ramin …”;
              * I didnt know what u were ref’g2,+wd be gd 2show all ur participation. 4future,2 fix that&more, pls follow http://2.loverules.info/140#LHPZ5P (reply where msg is) & http://2.loverules.info/140#LEXK6I (“where anyone possibly interested can see/hear”).
              *Yes,ur re-RSVP wked. &Thx 4answering all Qs.

              Posted 4 minutes ago

              -in other words,

            2. LHQ3DC reply with these details, probably in this order:
              1. LHQ3F2 Telling the details of the person’s message
                1. LHQ3ED (the date, the person, the mechanism used to send it, and the content of the message),
              2. LHQ3FO any thanks
              3. LHQ3GF the context (else your guess of it)
              4. LHQ3GY The problem, followed by “4fture,2 fix that&more, pls follow …” each URL (optionally followed by details) which would have fixed the problem.

          LHPZF0 the reply would not be best there (as sensitive details)


  7. some section history (in order)

    1. LHQ458 A few updates
      1. LHQ4DT To enable me to write in this this real example (most notably, to cite those rules, I needed to make sure they were labeled & fully explained).
      2. LHQ4EY including
        1. LHQ45K Labeled & fully rewrote & extended Communicate ideally & Communicate (as post) in the appropriate places
          1. LHQ8KZ including adding Reply via the same mechanism you received from –a missing common-sense rule still not done in this real example
    2. Created as a separate post since Communicate ideally was growing big.

      file LRBFL6

      Created a local-storage temp file LRBFL6.htm

    3. Titles considered, in order conceived:

      Communicate ideally
      Best communication location, especially on Meetup.com
      (Best communication location|communicating in the best location), especially (on|using|for|with) Meetup.com
      Communicating in the Best Location, especially with Meetup.com
    4. Create http://1.JotHere.com/LRBF47 permanent redirecting URL currently pointing to http://1.JotHere.com/452#LRBF47
    5. updated 2011.09.11pst1119(~81% complete 1st draft & used in production)
    6. M7ZQAJ  In this posting, I want to refer to OCAndroid rule LTECO0 but there are no URLs for such rules (as http://Meetup.com/OCAndroid “Read more about us” cannot have anchors); this rule refers to http://1.JotHere.com/ap0 but that doesn’t include important phrasing “and avoid private-messages & calls when possible to avoid. For instance,” so need to update that URL (to LHPXDE) to include that. Original title “Communicate foremost by appropriate posting”.
      1. M7ZSL6 In say “avoid private-messages & calls when possible to avoid”, decide to not use the term “avoid” (and instead “instead of”) as it, out-of-context, it reads avoiding-communication which is NOT intended.
      2. M7ZXWX Add section M7ZP66, more comprehensive than LHPXDE and usually LHPXDE‘s intended meaning.
        1. M7ZXYR Redirected http://1.JotHere.com/ap0 from LHPXDE to here as that’s always it’s intended meaning.
      3. M7ZXTP Many improvement to the content
    7. M7ZYWM Updated document header to present format for the paragraph/line, but not for sectioning.
    8. M80043 Small fix to title; small typo correction.
    9. NLT4I5   add to category “posting LXYYH2” since it covers that heavily indeed is featured for it via /ap0.
    10. NLT4JU   replace “[http:]//2.LoveRules.Info” refs (all ~3) with “”; apply N14GIY; publish again 2015.03.26Thu00:13
    11. NLTCEE fix bad N14GIY: fixed via RegEx fr({id|href|class}=(“|“|”|″)+{[#_0-9A-Za-z]+}(“|“|”|″)+) to(\1=”\2”); apply good N14GIY; spellcheck; publish again 2015.03.26Thu03:07.

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