Automobile Homepak™ NAHmPk

Aug 042015

Posted by DestinyArchitect on UTC 2015.08.04Tue at 10:21 for/of California NR5LRL, housing via motor vehicle NR5KZ5, human homelessness, human housing NRGI7U, motor vehicle parking NR5LBI Add comments

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^NSCCUE: Goal
1. ^NSGW03: the seemingly best realistic way of immediately having the living-essential comforts of a house (as bedroom, electricity, home foods, bathroom) also conveniently in one’s car and at any place the car can drive to
2. ^NSD5BC: for (from probably least important):
  1. ^NSD5Q2: healthier & less expensive eating by easily bringing your home foods with you
  2. ^NSDB0N: having a lot more places to work, meet, & play, including now go play, meet, & even work on your favorite restaruant patio, in the park, on the the beach, and in nature!, as now bringing your home food plus familar electricty+clothing+even water to places needing these indeed every place you drive.
  3. ^NSDAIY: housing …for:
    1. ^NSD5I5: comfortable naps at your work or comfortable resting & sleeping wherever you may have driven
    2. ^NSD5JE: hotel-replacement including:
      1. ^NSDAVO: emergency/disaster housing
      2. ^NSD5OI: road trip sleeping & eating
      3. ^NSDAS1: spontaneous responsible romance (romantic cheating and unsafe/unresponsible sex are NOT condoned)
      4. ^NSHLUH: or need some time…
        
        ^NSHM35: time away, as away from your work, housemates, romance, or roommates?
        
        ^NSHM21: or time in a new area, as to try it out or to find an apartment or house in the new area you’re moving to?
        
        …but don’t want to blow good money on hotels? Then this could well be your easy ticket!
      5. ^NSCEDY: compared to using standard hotels, pays for itself in under a month ($2K/($70/day)=28 days)
    3. ^NSH124: RV & camping-gear replacemement including:
      1. ^NSH1UO: now be always ready (as far as the basics) to go on a road trip including camping! And…
      2. ^NSCE8L: compared typical RVs with these features (which cost >=$30K used, measure >=30ft*9ft*9ft, and get <=7MPG),
        
        ^NSH1DW: < 1/4th the purchase cost, indeed < 1/10th if you already spend $5K for a transport vehicle
        
        ^NSH1E2: >= 3x the MPG
        
        ^NSH1EF: drastically more drivable/portable and especially parkably, including avoiding the usual negative attention (of no RVs allowed here!)
        
        ^NSH1F1: drastically more easily replaced in event of a loss (as auto-accident or theft)
      3. ^NSH13C: ~10,000x more common locations one can stay! –not just campsites & RV parks (which are expensive), but most anywhere you can park your car!! And for no extra cost!
    4. ^NSH20D: for long-term living aka standard housing replacement
      1. ^NSD5PC: yes, not fully comfortable,
      2. ^NSHKH3: and yes, at least until laws change, practionioners do have to keep a very low profile of their in-person use including park in a different location every day
      3. ^NSHKHX: BUT highly-portable, resource-frugal, & extremely-affordable, including:
      4. ^NSH20S: all the benefits above plus,…
      5. ^NSH24C: NO housing: credit checks, leases, mortgages, evictions
      6. ^NSH2AV: if you don’t like & can’t help the neighborhood, leave! -just drive to one you like & who likes you.
      7. ^NSH24S: Travel included! Travel continuously if you wish (and if work & family permit). Or just move about locally.
      8. ^NSHMLG: Hey the American indians typically brought their home with them (the tipi) –so why have we regressed?
      9. ^NSHJI4: and as far as damage to our environment, a fraction of the environmental resources, as standard housing costs unprecidenced resource waste
      10. ^NSHJAZ: and as far as financial … 🙂
        
        ^NSH216: as far as monthly costs, ~1/15th the monthly cost compared to standard rentals (as in SoCal, a basic 1bedroom+1bath apt rental costs ~$1600/mo))
        
        ^NSCE8X: and as far as home purchasing, ~1/35th the cost! –indeed ~1/80th considering most American adults already invest >$5K in a car.
        
        ^NSHJFV: –now that‘s what I call affordable housing!
        
        ^NSH3JR: –put all that saved money to better use, notably helping those who really need it, not big land owners & big banks & excessive-construction companies.
      11. ^NSH2RK: yes, for seemingly not the average person (well not yet :-), but for…
        
        ^NSH2WP: honorably-thrifty travelers, both…
        
        ^NSHK40: traveling for work (traveling consultants, salespersons, entertainers, and other road warriors)
        
        ^NSHK4I: or/and traveling for pleasure (including student travelers)
        
        ^NSH31W: a dramatic help (true affordable housing) for the homeless (per Statue of Liberty goal)
        
        ^NSJMYH: aside: per this topic, add this post to category ‘human homelessness NRGI7W’
        
        ^NSH3NG: minimalists (as me), including as a tiny house alternative that’s even smaller plus 10,0000x more moble and gives you transport!
        
        ^NSH2WF: enviornmentalists (as me) as just noted, plus really show the world you’re going solar!
        
        ^NSH2WA: and the adventurous or/and innovative (as me 🙂
    5. ^NSJN1S: aside: per this topic, add this post to category ‘human housing NRGI7U’
3. ^NSD6AE: by having certain commonplace quality car types (wagon & SUV) also craftily be extended for limited human housing, including a climate-controlled private 2-person bed & limited bathroom plus portable home food+clothing+water+electricity.
  1. ^NSGX6N: very inexpensively (as <$8K total)
  2. ^NSGX6Q: and fairly easily (as just 1 day to add the necessary car extensions)
  3. ^NSGX7M: from following this document and a few others (based on a lot of 1-time tough hard work, by me & hopefully many, to desgin all this for everyone!) or paying me or aother customerzer/installer to set it up for you.
4. ^NSGVLS: by (the bigger clever points)
  1. ^NSH4OU: by starting with the commonplace quality car types (wagon & SUV) which can well acheive this
  2. ^NSGVOR: by making the car’s interior be basic livable human house space: limited seating (including a more comfortable (clutter-free) passenger car, seating ~5!) plus a comfortable bed for 2 to 3 and an emergency bathroom, including all of that entirely clutterfree, heat-shielded from the sun (top & sides), and private (not sound- & motion-proof but light-proof).
  3. ^NSGWY8: by window privacy & heat-shielding: having all windows except windshield carefully {tinted, and optionally internally selectably light-proofed}, and the normal sunscreen in the windshield when parked, for privacy and sun heat-shielding.
  4. ^NSGVTS: by storing all the items to make this possible, including all house accessoires, plus any other cargo the car normally carries, on the car’s roof…
    1. ^NSJEVM: so freeing the car’s interior of all clutter and shielding the roof from the sun
    2. ^NSGWLQ: securely, including protected from coming loose, the weather, & by ‘alarm system’
    3. ^NSGXT7: extensibly, as via large expandable tough cargo bags,
    4. ^NSGWPS: and in in a way to make the car appear either it’s:
      1. ^NSGWRI: just coming or going from a ski trip or other cargo hauling
      2. ^NSGWTH: or driving relevant business advertzing as driving demonstration of your 100% solar-powered mobile appliances(!), as
  5. ^NSJG9N: by including the most core home appliances (3cf regrigerator+freezer, microwave, portable electricity, & some more) also tucked away on the roof.
  6. ^NSGWV2: by powering all the home appliances…
    1. ^NSHXVO: directly by a ‘portable battery power pack’
    2. ^NSHXWP: which itself is powered/charged by 1 or more (user selectable) of:
      1. ^NSGYK1: portable solar panels on the very top (seemingly only recently practical on a car due to high-efficiency electronics & especially solar panels)
      2. ^NSGYKQ: ‘portable small quiet gasoline-to-AC generator’ (super quite due to new inverter technology)
      3. ^NSGYLI: AC plug-in cord (but the common tough challege is getting a nearby usable AC plug)
      4. ^NSGYKF: car’s own electricity
  7. ^NSGZOR: for communications & entertainment,
    1. ^NSH0I1: letting our ubuquitous portable mobile computing devices (smartphones, tablets, etc) do that job, as they increasingly are,
    2. ^NSH0IK: plus optionally having that drive:
      1. ^NSH0L1: the car’s already usuaully impressive surrounding sound system
      2. ^NSH0LR: or/and ‘portable {digital projector + screen} –impressive’ as this can store & power that, too!
  8. ^NSGZ0V: for when normal restrooms & bathrooms aren’t avaiable, by typical good camping equiment: having a portable camp toilet (examples) and similar compact bathroom equipment; more at NSHR1U.
  9. ^NSGXZ9: and by having pretty-much all the added components…
    1. ^NSGY23: modular & common & inexpensive for easy replacement & upgrade & protection from loss
    2. ^NSGY35: once ‘alarm system’ disabled, quickly & easily hand-removable & -carrable to nearby venues needing them (needing electricity, food, appliances, etc).
  10. ^NSJGEP: and by, on the rear, even having space for 2+ full-sized bicycles!
5. ^NSCCVT: a human transportation & housing combo unique & seemingly unprecided in 6 ways:
  1. ^NSD7LO: a car which is also a house, including:
    1. ^NSD8L6: familiar quality food & clothing, including freezer+refrigerator & microwave
      1. ^NSD9PD: a bed for 2 (slightly shorter but wider than twin bed size) & car seating & limited bathroom which all is private & climate-controlled
    2. ^NSD9PK: significant electricity & water
    3. ^NSD8UR: building on the now-unbituous low-power mobile computing devices (smartphones & tablets, portable hotspots, & laptops) for remote communications (Internet & telephone), much-entertainment, plus info-based working.
  2. ^NSD6PA: but for acceptance, steathfully still appears mostly like the unnoticed common automobile, indeed car, including…
  3. ^NSD704:as portable & easy to drive & transportive as the common car, and
  4. ^NSD6MS: highly inexpensive & easy to assemble compared to standard housing & RVs, indeed not much more than the price & trouble of getting standard quality used car
  5. ^NSD712: has home features (as electricity, food, water, and Internet & entertainment) which also can be easily temporarily hand-removed & -carried to serve areas which lack these, as for camping or events at parks or building which lack these
  6. ^NSD7DY: with the potential to become very commonly used, like the automobile itself
6. ^NSHNUK: –merging needed as this section’s text below is a partial repeat of its text above–
7. ^NSCFA1: via a quality inexpensive (as <$5000 used) automobile, specifically station wagon (as Subaru‘s), van, or possibly SUV, extended steathfully, easily, and very inexpensively (as <$2000) into a an effective motorhome reasonably-complete with:
  1. ^NSDCNH: appliances: refrigerator+freezer plus microwave
  2. ^NSCF72: power pack: a seperatable portable AC+DC electrical +Wifi Internet power pack to work, meet, & play (including picnics & parks) where no AC plugs and/or Internet is available.
    1. ^NSDD0E: enough portable electricity storage for ~7 hours of laptop or other mobile computing by ~5 people every ~7 days.
  3. ^NSCF6U: near twin-sized private bed
  4. ^NSDDOS: limited bathroom TBA
  5. ^NSDDQX: portable water system, storing about 5 gallons of easily obtained water
  6. ^NSCF5X: sufficient (so substantial) electricity
    1. ^NSDCQO: for
      1. ^NSDCS1: all appliances plus power pack.
      2. ^NSDDAC: additional mobile computing use requires additional electricity, notably an AC plug, but that’s now well supported by bringing one’s mobile computing devices into most any resturant including every Starbucks.
    2. ^NSDCSZ: generally entirely off-grid, getting electricity via (in order preferred):
      1. ^NSDCRE: solar panels
        
        ^NSDE4K: If also maximizing the energy efficiecy of the appliances, solar panels emerging in the last ~4 years finally seem affordable & powerful enough to just barely handle all these electrical needs!
      2. ^NSDCWT: automobile’s alternator
      3. ^NSDE2V: (if needed) small portable AC inverter generator
      4. ^NSDCY2: AC power cord
8. ^NSCHN4: the vehicle being crafty including stealthy in appearance and other ‘protection from bad human behavior’ appears essential
9. ^NSCE1G: further details
  1. ^NSCD6W: The vehicle interior would be largely untouched and available for big comfortable bed in the rear, including:
    1. ^NSCDIO: un-attention getting but high privacy window tinting and/or other window coverings}
    2. ^NSCDKC: bathing & restroom facilities
      1. ^NSCE2I: for bathing & 24hr restrooms, probalby heavy dependance on 24 Hour Fitness or similar service.
      2. ^NSCE4V: for restrooms, probably heavily dependance on those businesses where purchaes are made.
      3. ^NSCE7B: more TBA
  2. ^NSCD92: The top of the vehicle to be carefully and unnotably (as possible) extended to hold all the major extensions (living items), including:
    1. ^NSCDCK: small but non-toy refrigerator & especially freezer, at least 1 cf each
    2. ^NSCDD7: small but serious microwave (700W)
    3. ^NSCDEX: storage for clothes & other personal effects
    4. ^NSCDGC: solar panels, along with necessary batteries, to power all extensions.
  3. ^NSCDLH: inexpensive but very effective ‘alarm system’
^NSCFXZ: name
1. ^NSD4V2: permanent ID
  1. ^NSCFYB: ‘NAHmPk’ is a KCGUID which translates to 2014.08.17, the approximate conception date, plus ‘AHmPk’ is short for ‘Automobile HomePak‘
2. ^NSD4WG:natural langauge description:
  1. ^NSD4P0: the name is a reference to the extension (the roof pack added to the vehicle) in the core goal.
    1. ^NSJMVC: aside: per this topic, add this post to category ‘housing via motor vehicle NR5KZ5’
  2. ^NSD4PT: ‘homepak™’ is short for ‘home pack’, where
    1. ^NSD4QB: ‘pack’ is replaced by ‘pak’ for uniqueness plus to be small & compact & tidy like the roof pack itself.
  3. ^NSCG3E: ‘Automobile Homepak™’
    1. ^NSJUWZ:my favorite so far
  4. ^NSJUQX: ‘Car Homepak™’
    1. ^NSJUV7: a possiblity
    2. ^NSJUXO: shortest.
^NSDGT6: blueprints and other overall illustrations
1. ^NSDGTQ: TBA here soon
^NSDGU1: parts and other immediate aspects
1. ^NSDGUL: I’ve done about 6 solid weeks for research & testing so far.
2. ^NSDGUZ: most of it, including particular products selected, is in spreadsheet ‘my asset.v2.NGT0X5’ which is difficult to share without careful redaction as it naturally also contains serial #s and similar personally-identifying IDs, so it may take a few months before its released.
3. ^NSHMXB: a lot of key overview is in this document.
4. ^NSJOE8: the components identified in ‘protection from bad human behavior’
5. ^NSEYJF: motor vehicle (selection)
  1. ^NSFUB2: key (vehicle) criteria, from most important generally:
    1. ^NSEZ7S: an accepted apparance which typically includes ‘no-valuables appearance’ and definitely ‘no-home appearance’
      1. ^NSHSQZ: so it is usually much better when the vehicle is one which doesn’t attract attention
      2. ^NSHSRJ: and whenever it is noticed,
        
        ^NSHSRS: with present laws & customs, it cannot look like someone could be sleeping in it (else this will limit your parking options to about 1/10,000)
        
        ^NSHSSR: it must generally look acceptable in the places where you plan to have it parked
      3. ^NSEZET: so it must have body style which looks like 1 of:
        
        ^NSEZLY: car body-style, which includes van,
        
        ^NSEZN0: pickup truck
        
        ^NSHSV5: probably not a commercial vehicle (as van), as while they very-well & cleverly give ‘no-home appearance’ , they also attract a lot of attention, in commercial areas where they don’t fit in and definitely in residential areas, indeed if left overnight on a residential street, especially with any recognizable chain as UPS or USPS, probably would result in residents investigating.
        
        ^NSEZS7: NOT an RV (except the few that always look like non-RV automobiles), per ‘no-home appearance’
      4. ^NSN9RC: note while this is of course true ‘if the vehicle is to have a human bed’, it’s even true if not as no one needs their vehicle bothered.
    2. ^NSHRLX: ‘if the vehicle is to have a human bed’: if the vehicle is to have a ‘human bed’ (the heart of vehicle living)
      1. ^NSHSHN: This limits the vehicle choices…
        
        ^NSHSJQ: heavily but not impossibly (to just a few vehicle body styles)
        
        ^NSHSKI: sadly increasingly (probably as cars are being made shorter & shorter for better gas milage) but still not impossibly (as due to present SUV popularity increase)
      2. ^NSJ619: ‘engine’s core techonlogy’
        
        ^NSJ61X: combustion engine exclusively
        
        ^NSJ63H: what I’m mostly thinking about here due to better alternatives not yet being available.
        
        ^NSJ63Z: note they don’t operate silently to outsiders (a big problem for vehicle living).
        
        ^NSJ6HT:Electric-powered freeway-legal vehicles,
        
        ^NSJ6QT: overall: the way when possible including affordable but seems not here yet for vehicle living
        
        ^NSJ5LS: potential huge pro BUT I’ve never yet seen it fully inlcuding where it really counts: able to operate silently by outsiders (extremely important for vehicle living):
        
        ^NSNCU7: for much/all extra (non-engine) electricity, almost certainly, especially pure-electric
        
        ^NSNCVM: for interior heating & air conditioning: I haven’t seen it any quieter, because even if plenty of electric storage (and maybe silent generation), running AC or heating on full seems to make the same amount of noise as these accessories do on good combustion cars
        
        ^NSND21: at least for the 2 of 2 hybrids I’ve seen: see
        
        ^NSND5I: why? –same as usual
        
        ^NSNDIL: though I imagine as automobiles get quieter (notably by using more electric propulsion), users will push air heating & cooling to become quieter too, but it doesn’t seem to be happening so far.
        
        ^NSJ5T4: big pro: typically have enormous electrical storage (plus, if hybrid, electrical generation), including many times more than would typically be required for vehicle living indeed probably plenty for a standard home.
        
        ^NSJ5MZ: pro: are steadily becoming more common
        
        pro: pro: are somewhat to dramatically better for the environment.
        
        ^NSJ5Q6: big big con: are still very expensive
        
        ^NSJ5VU: big con: are still in much redevelopment (so can be costly investment due to rapidly becoming outdated)
        
        ^NSJ5WX: typically killer con: are almost almost always too small for vehicle living.
        
        ^NSJ5JO: hybrids?
        
        ^NSJ6O7:Big pro: significantly more fueling options & greater distance
        
        ^NSJ89X: Big pro: includes a built-in efficient as-much-as you-need sizable electricity generator/alternator.
        
        ^NSNC9I: Big pro: generally much more recharge stations (than pure electric), which could be crtical here where one may not have a home where one can plug in AC.
        
        ^NSJ6GL: small con: typically less electrical storage, but still probably plenty for vehicle living.
        
        ^NSNCCV: easily sizeable con: noise when running in park even idle (key so outsiders won’t notice when its running -a big deal for vehicle living): seemingly never noiser than pure combustion engine, compared to pure electric, noiser from a lot to a little (and wierd) especially depending on ‘what engine type’
        
        ^NSJ6U9: via ‘what engine type’, and —
        
        ^NSJ6VO: fuel cell
        
        ^NSODWV: ‘Edmonds.com 2015′: an intro, very good & best I’ve found so far: article by Edmonds.com ‘Republished: 05/08/2015 (Original Date: 05/21/2014) ’
        
        ^NSNP19: for hydrogen
        
        ^NSNP1J: The only varient I’ve found for automobiles.
        
        ^NSO8ZZ: see safety & chemical output & stations & more.
        
        ^NSOIST: NSOIST: a hydrogen fuel cell powered vehicle where you can also add water & electricity and makes hydrogen {for its tanks (fills them) & potentially more uses}
        
        ^NSOITL: would be ultra cool & practical.
        
        ^NSOISZ: something which occurs to me and probably others.
        
        ^NSOITL: possible since some hydrogen fuel cells can be operated in reverse to do hydrolisis
        
        ^NSOIVH: why is not here now & when is would it be possible?
        
        ^NSO9AT: notable pros thru cons:
        
        ^NSJ72J: medimu to huge pro: minimal noise of any hybrid or combusion engine
        
        ^NSNBSO: I’ve never seen one in person this is only what I’ve fouond via web.
        
        ^NSNBTT: 2009 video of a GM fuel cell hatchback running in park sounds like a fast electric cricket at ~4 chirps per second (would be better as no sound, but sometimes OK if mistaken for crickets).
        
        ^NSO8UZ: Hundai Tuscon may be stealthy!
        
        ^NSNBZH: ‘Toyota’s Mirai’ in idle produces ‘intermittent clicking’ which is most reduced in idle, ‘The clicking, which can grate like a noise-vibration issue, comes from the hydrogen fuel injector, which feeds the fuel from the high-pressure hydrogen tanks into the pump. ..emanate from just under the rear floorboards where the mechanisms are housed. Engineers said they are working on ways to better muffle the sounds.’ details 2015.04.24 article.
        
        ^NSOH7I: pro: cost: at least for hydrogen, factoring in generators & engines and other converters, compared to gasoline, appears about the weight per KWhr and soon dollars per kWhr, so less than than LiIon (the present best electrical battery storage).
        
        ^NSOHXW:see NSOHZ8
        
        ^NSJ7GN: notable pro: seems present & probably long-term best for the enviornment, as fuel cells both:
        
        ^NSJ85I: big pro: if hudrogen, it can come from and output just water+electricity, so 100% nature-friendly
        
        ^NSJ85B: more efficient than combustion, now else eventually, I’m sensing
        
        ^NSJ814: small pro: impressively “solid state” (no moving parts, other than fuel & electricity)
        
        ^NSNP1P: even or better: at least if hydrogen, appears safe.
        
        ^NSNP3Z: http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/8-things-you-need-to-know-about-hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars.html ‘3. Is Hydrogen Fuel Safe?’ suggests safer than gasoline
        
        ^NSNP53: GS(shoot hydrogen tank hyundai) doesn’t find exactly that but other topics listed here
        
        ^NSNP71: http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/16/toyota-fires-bullets-hydrogen-fuel-tanks-shoots-ev-supporter/ says ‘ bullets from a small-caliber gun bounced off the carbon-fiber tanks, and that .50-caliber bullets barely made dents.’
        
        ^NSOGJ3: possible serious con at least with hydrogen: electricty appears the 1 truly reunable general power source, and if starting from electricity, hydrogen storage is ~26% the efficiency of LiIon batteries.
        
        ^NSOGLX: https://youtu.be/23lz9ercqvA?t=6m18s is pro pure-electric and anti hydrogen fuel cell and
        
        ^NSOGOE: incorrectly universally concludes Hydrogen fuel cells are `a non-starter’ and ‘not even clean’
        
        ^NSOGVU: from NSOGOQ, incorrectly says  hydrogen vs gasoline vehicle efficiey as same from failing to consider starting from different source (electricy vs gas)
        
        ^NSOGOQ: probably fairly accurtely says about automobiles,
        
        ^NSOGRS: if starting from electricity, hydrogen fuel cell is 19% to 23% efficient whereas electric vehicles are 70% to 90% efficient (sounds high to me w/o research); so 26%=average(19,23)/average(70,90) as efficient
        
        ^NSOGW5: (if starting from gasoline?), combustion engine is 17 to 21% efficient
        
        ^NSOIKD: NSOIKD: ~’today 95% of hydrogen is from methane’ and gives process
        
        ^NSOE0N: notable con: at least with hydrogen, increasing but so far very limited areas to get fuel
        
        ^NSOE1H: ‘Edmonds.com 2015′ ‘8. Where Would I Get Fuel?’ details; currently mostly just 9 stations in S.Cal.
        
        ^NSOIFG: eventual pro (better than gasoline but worse than pure-electric): multiple sources for the fuel
        
        ^NSOII4: from metane & water; details at NSOIKD; environemntally good?
        
        ^NSOILW: from electricity & water: environentally good & with small hydrolosis units (really reverse fuel sells) potentially eventuall affordable –ideally done by the vehicle itself NSOIST
        
        ^NSJ73I: big (killer?) con: so far very rare and growth slow
        
        ^NSO98M:see ‘units readily available’
        
        ^NSO98R: but, conicidentally but amazingly, where I’m at is one possibly obainable unit which may work very well!
        
        ^NSOHN3: the modern fuel cell automobiles already have the best battery technology (automotive LiIon), which is now well established to power vehicles, and they have an electric propolsion, but insted of then just making that battery storage big, choose to to make small, effectively just a “capacitor”, and instead have the real storage be a new form hydrogen plus a new converter for it to electric, so they must have strong reasons to go to all that trouble.
        
        ^NSOHZ8: NSOHZ8: one reason could be that while the total efficiency appears substantially less and where to reuel is initially severely limited, the real costs are lower at least until electric batteries become ligher or/and cheaper.
        
        ^NSO92J: ‘units readily available’
        
        ^NSO9CF: while it’s feeling like the basic technolgy has been around for decades, the growth is really slow.
        
        ^NSO9E3: why?
        
        ^NSODGD: Hyndai ‘expects the cost of fuel-cell cars to reach parity with the cost of similarly sized and equipped conventional cars by 2020.’ says Edmonds.com ‘Republished: 05/08/2015 (Original Date: 05/21/2014) ’
        
        ^NSO9EX: lists
        
        ^NSO93A: only 2 apparently only 2 models readily available and, at least for 1, only in 2 state-sized areas.
        
        ^NSNB3J: ‘The first commercial production fuel cell automobiles are being sold in California by Toyota and leased on a limited basis by Hyundai, with additional manufacturers planning to enter the market.’ says Wikipedia
        
        ^NSOBT6:   ‘The cars and stations will be a limited presence at first, confined to select areas of Southern California.’ ‘Initial availability will be in Southern California because that’s where nine of the 11 public hydrogen stations in the country are located. There’s a 10th station in Northern California, near San Jose, while the 11th is in South Carolina.’ ‘But if some of the world’s major automakers and the U.S. and various state governments have anything to say about it, the stations ultimately will spread throughout the nation’s urban areas.’ says Edmonds.com ‘Republished: 05/08/2015 (Original Date: 05/21/2014) ’
        
        ^NSNB3T: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cell_vehicle#Automobiles list what’s currently in mass production
        
        ^NSO9V9: presently the 2
        
        ^NSNQIP: GS(production fuel cell cars)
        
        ^NSNQJ2: currently lists in or near production just the 2
        
        ^NSO9HB:models from most preferred from this use:
        
        ^NSJ73V: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_ix35_FCEV
        
        ^NSNKZG: how noisy when idle w/ & w/o air heat & cool on full?
        
        ^NSNM7J: overivew: –web reports suggest it is quiet enough for vehicle living! Will need to reverify.
        
        ^NSNPY8: in particular, need to know sounds at in http://worldwide.hyundai.com/WW/Showroom/Eco/ix35-Fuel-Cell/PIP/index.html ‘Idle Charging Mode’ w/o any accessories and with air heat & cool each on max.
        
        ^NSNMAD: details
        
        ^NSNM9G: GS(Hyundai ix35 OR Tucson FCEV noise OR sound OR quiet OR silent) and similar finds all references here.
        
        ^NSNKYJ: ‘just as quiet as a standard EV’ says official Hyndai
        
        ^NSNKS6: ‘Quietly spectacular ..it makes significantly less noise than convenitional cars.’ says official Hyndai
        
        ^NSNKSE: ‘On the road, the loudest noise on my test drive in New York City is the slap of the tires against Manhattan’s winter-weary pavement and occasional whirring and clicking from the fuel cell plumbing. .. It’s a car, it’s quiet, you don’t notice anything different.’ says 2015.03.31 professional review
        
        ^NSNL1N: ‘The only real difference was that the engine was nearly silent while operating ..The only sounds you could hear in the cabin were from the wheels hitting the pavement ..’ says 2014.10.09 professional review.
        
        ^NSOARD: presently only solid in S. Cal says official website; ‘the 2015 Hyundai Tucson fuel-cell vehicle, a midsize crossover SUV, on a lease-only basis for $499 a month. The lease payment also covers all maintenance and fuel. ..Honda hasn’t announced pricing yet but is expected to be competitive’ with Toyota’s price says Edmonds.com ‘Republished: 05/08/2015 (Original Date: 05/21/2014) ’
        
        ^NSOASK: storage areas
        
        ^NSNK7G: trunk area pic
        
        ^NSNR1Z: make’s video featuring use of trunk (flat bed not visible) plus added roof rack
        
        ^NSNKG3: side outline pic
        
        ^NSNMZO: usable roof: length: 246px from dimensions pic so 73.8in; width: 140px so 42.0in
        
        ^NSNMFX: rear bed length w/o moving/tiling front seats forward: 237px from dimensions pic, so 71.1in (respectable)
        
        ^NSNQN6: having it quietly drive additional kitchen electrical loads
        
        ^NSNQND:   GS(Hyundai ix35 OR Tucson FCEV electric OR electrical OR AC plug OR outlet)
        
        ^NSNSKW: sadly finds no relevant matches.
        
        ^NSOB8R: from ER Manual
        
        ^NSOBBW: connections
        
        ^NSNTW0: no mention of AC outlet/plug/110/115/120
        
        ^NSNU7M: there’s an apparently small 12v battery in the trunk with seeming a 50A fuse
        
        ^NSNU7P: there’s no mention of “USB”, Cigarette, or Lighter
        
        ^NSOBCN: battery (small ok if generation is quiet)
        
        ^NSNSWA: ‘Battery Energy kWh 0.95’;
        
        ^NSNT4C: so, given NSNT17, at avg speed (say 50% of that), battery is just enough to drive the car for ~1minute, when driving, the fuel cell will be continuously running.
        
        ^NSNTGE: or comparing with C-Max Energi with ‘on ‘Battery 7.6 kWh lithium-ion, Electric range 20 mi (32 km)[38]’, scaled by that, Tuscon should go 20/7.6*0.95 =2.5mi, or , at 25MPH, 1min –same as NSNT4C, good.
        
        ^NSNT17: ‘Drive train power kW 100’
        
        ^NT39KK: inquery
        
        ^NSOES0: planned intro
        
        ^NSOEZQ: in order
        
        ^NSOES9: No mention, until noted here of
        
        ^NSOF1K: vehicle living use
        
        ^NSOF1W: funding methods
        
        ^NSOESQ: ‘I’m interested in the vehicle to go camping. It looks good, but the only parts I’m unsure of:
        
        ^NSOEXB: When parked, I want it to very quietly produce up to 1100W of electricity for the camp site,
        
        ^NSOEYH: and, should the outdoor weather be bad, when parked, to be able to quietly run the air conditioner & heater on full.’
        
        ^NSOFCZ: and mention my engineering background.
        
        ^NSOF7Z: If these aren’t possible, or maybe at least 1st, stop.
        
        ^NSOF4Z: get good exchnge with engineering to do NSOEXB (probably in S. Korea)
        
        ^NSOF6Q: then explain more advanced desired use for ‘u– camping’
        
        ^NSOFAQ: Then explain the further use to help significant h—, with possible government funding on a larger scale through experimental redirect of existing funding streams.
        
        ^NSOFEK: Then broach idea to my government contacts.
        
        ^NSOFLM: a few hours ago, run the idea by Lucy; she agrees and adds the now used point ‘ordinary campsite camping needs quiet, too’
        
        ^NT39LF: inquery form https://www.hyundaiusa.com/tucsonfuelcell/#specifications ‘Check Availability’
        
        ^NT39PO: says {available in my area} and gives me a detailed application form to fill out, which I complete at NSPOBH( ‘20150807Loc0506’)
        
        ^NT39U7: Call my closest dealer starting NSQPJC(‘20150807Loc1830’) –more TBA
        
        ^NSO9X2: 1st mass-produced (2013) and the 1st I found
        
        ^NSOBIX:specs
        
        ^NSOBJC: http://worldwide.hyundai.com/WW/Showroom/Eco/ix35-Fuel-Cell/PIP/index.html
        
        ^NSOBK2: https://www.hyundaiusa.com/tucsonfuelcell/#specifications
        
        ^NSNMFD: official dimension pic (archive) from here, so:
        
        ^NSNMMR: length: 579px aka 173.6in from dimensions pic, so in/px=173.6/579=0.2998
        
        ^NSOBKN: manual
        
        ^NSNSUO: Emergency Response Manual -closet manual I’ve found; some good specs & details
        
        ^NSNB98: Toyota Mirai
        
        ^NSO9XV: 1st produced in 2014 so 2nd or 3rd
        
        ^NSOA6B: notable pros thru cons (enough to stop considering):
        
        ^NSNQ3Y: con: appears flashy, near sportscar, & not low-profile
        
        ^NSNQ3D: serious con: appears roof a little small and very curved & probably not for any roof rack, so little if any roof cargo
        
        ^NSNQ1J: killer con: 3-box style per truck pic
        
        ^NSODMY: ‘Toyota has followed Hyundai’s lead with its own $499 monthly lease that includes free fuel. It also will sell its Mirai for $58,325 before federal and state incentives that could knock the real cost to buyers down to around $48,000.’ says Edmonds.com ‘Republished: 05/08/2015 (Original Date: 05/21/2014) ’; probably only available in California per that Edmonds.
        
        ^NSJ6VF: combustion
        
        ^NSJ6WD: notable con: noise: unless the engine is somehow undetectable when running (which might be the case, similar to AC inverter generators being much quiter), when it kicks in (which seems common) vehicle livers should have a problem as with exclusive combustion probably nearly as bad.
      3. ^NSEYKO: rear cargo area which (with rear seats folded down) must have space to at least sleep the necessary people w/o physical discomfort and user(s)’ head(s) towards the front seat for safety.
        
        ^NSN886: necessary size
        
        ^NSN88V: by default, I shoot for 2 bigger people lying straight w/o physical discomfort, where each person is 6ft tall by max width 22in at sholders, so must provide flat space >=6ft long by with 44in at sholder area and >=34in in all other areas.
        
        ^NSCDIB: head the bed towards the front seats for safety in case of collisons to the vehicle when sleeping
        
        ^NSHRFG: in my 1st live-in wagon, when my girlfriend & I were parked at a rest stop sleeping, my vehicle actually was rear-ended by a drunk driver (we met him & got his ID) but fortunately, from my already forseeing this, our heads weren’t near any exterior of the vehicle.
        
        ^NSHRV4: the bed is created
        
        ^NSN8FY: and undone ideally & typically easily by 1 person and fast (~4 minutes, given a clutter-free interior)
        
        ^NSN8BJ: (created) in the vehicle interior rear (where one is to lay along the length of the vehicle)
        
        ^NSN8KZ: causes (when made) loss of seating space, including all rear seating, plus sometimes front seating so then loss of drivability plus collectively loss of all interior seating.
        
        ^NSN8CE: by process (in typically this order & undone in the reverse):
        
        ^NSN8D2: ‘moving the front seats as needed’: moving and tilting the front seats forward to give a minimal height (as 6ft) from the interior back wall to the back of the front seats
        
        ^NSN90E: not needed in cars with native longer rear beds, as non-compact station wagons, SUVs and vans of all sorts.
        
        ^NSN94T: to the degre done, causes, in the front seats, space (so also storage there) lost and, if significant, loss of seatablity there there so also loss of drivabilty
        
        ^NSN8CV:   flattening the rear seats
        
        ^NSN91W: causes  loosing all rear seating
        
        ^NSN8FC: filling in the any gap betwen the front end of the flat bed & the rear seats
        
        ^NSN8O5: to the degree of  ‘moving the front seats as needed’, this gap can be significant space as example.
        
        ^NSN9CX: how to fill & unfill this gap, including quick & easy especially as drivablity is typically lost from front seats move.
        
        ^NSN9EL: to be figured out
        
        ^NSN8QK: laying over the bed area thin padding as needed
        
        ^NSN8VN: -seems not necessary if vehicle’s built-in carpet is sufficent padding for the bed users, which seems a regular occurrence)
        
        ^NSN8R9: laying over the bed bedding, which is pillows plus either nice big blanket else sleeping bag(s).
        
        ^NSFSGU: thus body style:
        
        ^NSFSI9: NOT three-box (rear separate truck) styling (but the other stylings: 1 box & 2 box)
        
        ^NSN7IZ: so probably NOT sportscar
        
        ^NSN7RE: so NO for all convertable I’ve known.
        
        ^NSFW81: YES for many 2 box as ‘station wagons or (three or five-door) hatchbacks, and minivans like the Chrysler minivan.’ or Crossover SUV or sport utility vehicle (SUV).
        
        ^NSN7QE: YES for many 1 box as ‘the Toyota Prius, Renault Espace, 1992 Renault Twingo I,Tata Nano and Japanese microvans amongst others.’
      4. ^NSHRY0: the rear seats must be go flat enough for an acceptable ‘human bed’
        
        ^NSHS01: this generally means they fold down flat enough
        
        ^NSHS0L: sometimes this requires first flipping up the rear seat lower cusions, but in some cars (as mine) the bed seems flat enough without that
        
        ^NSHSA7: note in a few vehicles, as some Nissans I’ve seen, the rear seats do not fold flat enough for a bed!
        
        ^NSHSB9: another option is to remove the rear seats and typically put them in bulk storage elsewhere, but naturally this then means the car will only legally & generally comfortably ride 2 pasangers (the front seats) and you have enough bulk storage elsewhere for the rear seats.
    3. ^NSFSPW: have a roof (or, ‘if the vehicle is to have a human bed’ is no, other cargo area) big & strong enough to hold the stuff needed to carry ‘items on roof’ (typically 3cf refrigerator + clothing + RV battery + small microwave) and not look too wierd doing that.
      1. ^NSHUIS: https://google.com/search?q=roof+cargo+OR+rack+mileage+OR+MPG suggests these items will cut the milage by at least 5MPG
        
        ^NSHUTA: so one it would seem one can be a little less worried about vehicle milage
      2. ^NSFSTS: thus body style
        
        ^NSHU0E: probably not sportscar
        
        ^NSFSJI: not pickup truck unless ‘if the vehicle is to have a human bed’ is no, as a pickup truck’s native roof is generally too small, and while one can put a camper shell on it, it would seem very odd to put these items on either of these roofs, as, in the case of a truck, cargo items are seemingly always placed in the cargo bed.
        
        ^NSHTZ3: NOT convertable, nor jeep w/o any roof else roof-weight support
    4. ^NSFUDI: if parking garage parking is desirable, not too tall (so also space for an additional ~2ft high of roof cargo)
      1. ^NSFUF7: thus body style:
        
        ^NSFUFS: NOT van including minivan
        
        ^NSFUGO: not taller SUVs
    5. ^NSFUJ4: roof rails seem desirable but hopefully not essential
      1. ^NSFUL7: ‘my station wagon’ lacks them so I will be working very hard to work alternatives.
  2. ^NSFT2H: thus only body styles meeting all the above criteria, from most preferred:
    1. ^NSFT6Y: non-compact station wagon
      1. ^NSFTDN: warning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Station_wagon#Declining_popularity_in_North_America
        
        ^NSFTWJ: in particular, it feels like longer ones, notably ones which have at least 6ft of rear cargo length, are getting increasingly harder to find.
        
        ^NSFTEH: at least now, fairly-new quality inexpensive models can be found by Subaru, though the latest longest model, seemingly the 2016 Outback, looks to be ~0.5ft too short!
    2. ^NSFU8R: SUV
      1. ^NSFU9A: seems like it would meet the most essential criteria
      2. ^NSFUNC: PRO: seems like it would provide more interior height & possibly width, which is probably quite nice,
      3. ^NSHUDK: small pro: most recently, SUV market has been increasing since 2010
      4. ^NSFUPP: small con: I hear worse MPG than wagon but probably not that big of deal given all the stuff on the roof already
      5. ^NSFUQI: con: may not go into parking garages
    3. ^NSFUV8: minivan
      1. ^NSFVY2: seens probably not good as…
      2. ^NSFUY4: similar as SUV but
        
        ^NSFUWD: con: seems like it would provide excessive interior height which is still not much good as one can’t stand up
        
        ^NSFVFX: one can stand “upright” on one’s knees but this is
        
        ^NSFVKP: not particularly attractive,
        
        ^NSFVLC: not useful for any reason I can see, including “walking” upright on ones knees seems less natural, more painful, & slower than walking on all four limbs.
        
        ^NSFVMS: con: probably lower MPG
        
        ^NSFVNH: con: seems it will cut most parking garages
        
        ^NSFVPX: the additional vehicle height will make it slower & tougher to get to the roof cargo.
    4. ^NSN78A: other 2 box or 1 box which can
      1. ^NSN831:
    5. ^NSFUTI: compact vans especially full-size van
      1. ^NSFVZR: seems not good here as:
      2. ^NSFVSX: same as for minivan but worse in all ways
        
        ^NSFW9K: indeed putting significant cargo on the roof starts looking like someone is living in it, a killer; so all the cargo needs to be stored inside.
        
        ^NSFVU7: except a full-size van with floor drop (done in some Roadtreks as mine) will allow one to stand upright, but still lost is all roof cargo space (w/o looking wierd)
      3. ^NSFW1D: a full-sized van can have its interior turned into an RV which is NOT not visible to the outside, best done by Roadtrek as mine, but, at least from my years of experience with that one, that seems expensive due to the serious interior customizations required –at least until such vehicles are mass produced which so far hasn’t happened.
  3. ^NSJH4H:vehicle’s native electricty
    1. ^NSJJHT: Unless an electric vehicle, most vehicles don’t don’t normally have enough electric power for these uses, unless doing things which typically seem impractical: full details at NSJJW6.
    2. ^NSJH0W: here tied in with ‘the homepak electricity’
    3. ^NSJGSI: ‘vehicle’s alternator’
      1. ^NSJGST: factory version almost certainly will not be large enough unless a hybrid vehicle; full details at NSJJW6
  4. ^NSEWMB: starter vehicle: ‘my station wagon’
    1. ^NSJMJF: overall vehicle quality: very very good.
    2. ^NSJOT3: overall quality for this application: very good
      1. ^NSJOWE: special problems: NSJOMX NSJP21 NSJOUI NSJPBJ
    3. ^NSEWN0: Subaru Legacy ‘Third generation (1998–2004) – BE, BH, BT’ (AWD) wagon (see that link for sample pics front & rear) but w/o roof rails (unfortunately)
    4. ^NSEYHB: purchased 2014 for $4000 with ~106K miles –a deal which could be repeated reasonable search.
    5. ^NSJMKI: worst failure: previous ower(s) chipped some of the paint at/around the bumper probably from offroading.
    6. ^NSJP21: color: dark
      1. ^NSJP2F: not good for being cool inside so will see if this disadvantage can be overcome.
    7. ^NSJMDR: dimensions
      1. ^NSJME1: length: 16ft –medium for a car.
      2. ^NSJMHJ: width: 5.7ft –typical for today’s cars.
      3. ^NSJMHU: height: standard; NSJOPF as NSJTT4
      4. ^NSJOMX: bed area (with back seats folded down)
        
        ^NSJOUI: just barely enough so a tad crowded.
        
        ^NSJONC: length: 67in (raw bed length) to 88in, typ 72in, depending on front seat slide & angle
        
        ^NSJT3L: for me at 6ft tall, this means it’s doable but a little bit more would be nice, as as I just touch both ends and my pillow overhangs the bed by 5in.
        
        ^NSJONN: width: 53in at top & bottom and 42.5in between tire wells
        
        ^NSJTHM: except for the middle which isn’t critical, this is the width of a full sized bed so seems like plenty of width to sleep 2 to 3 persons.
        
        ^NSJONS: height: 32 in for most of it, and 31in back seat area if lower cusions not pushed up (~34in if pushed up)
        
        ^NSJT9F: for me, this doable but a tad short as sitting on my butt, my head always touches the ceiling pushing my head down ~1inch (ok for a minute or so, bad if longer)
        
        ^NSJTFW: so far it looks best not to flip up the lower cusions (or take them out) as I don’t find myself sitting upright int hat region and that is more trouble plus (unless removed) looses the storage directly behind the front seats.
      5. ^NSJOOB: roof area usable for storing stuff:
        
        ^NSJOP5: length: 77in; 15in un-rail-frame-supported per NSJTR9
        
        ^NSJUCZ: curve: up in the middle by ~1in
        
        ^NSJOP9: width: 46in
        
        ^NSJOPF: height off ground: 57in (seems normal car height)
        
        ^NSJOWT: roof railing:
        
        ^NSJTR9: has the flat solid areas for where roof rails would be mounted, 2.5in wide by {usable 62in long starting in rear}, extremely solid -probably directly connected to the frame, feels like collectively they would support ~500 lbs.
        
        ^NSJTT4: no rails including no visible screw locations & seems were never there.
        
        ^NSJOYH: not clear yet if this will be a problem or, with some better replacement, a benefit.
        
        ^NSJUGD: due to NSJUCZ, railing must also have matching curve.
        
        ^NSJOZK: areas outside the roof railing area: cannot hold more than ~20lbs per sf else will start to buckle.
        
        ^NSJTVP: so cross-supports (a sheet or pole-like) will be needed at least for portions.
      6. ^NSJP91: native electric power production
        
        ^NSJP9K: factory alternator appears listed at 90A.
        
        ^NSJPA4: headlights are always turned on except when emergency break pulled, which debatably wastes some power during daylight.
        
        ^NSJPDW: battery:
        
        ^NSJPFL: upgraded to the largest which will fit in the space: Pebboys Bosh RC 160 minutes, made 2014 May.
        
        ^NSJPG0: CCA tests to ~95% (very very good).
        
        ^NSJPBJ: with no special load besides a 150W inverter running at about 20W, battery seems to just barely keep charged.
        
        ^NSJPDD: not sure if this is normal or something not working.
      7. ^NSEWVQ: pics: TBA
    8. ^NSN6QE: Joan’s C-Max Hybrid w/o plug hatchback, 2014
      1. ^NSN6TP: Even in park, with the heater OR AC seriously on, most of the time the engine was running, and if not they were still almost as noisy, especially the air conditioner, so having the hybrid didn’t seem to make things any quieter, though probably would still immediately do serious electrical generation when noise was ok.
      2. ^NSN6YH: NSN6YH: Without moving the front seats especially forward, the rear bed area was ~5ft.
      3. ^NSNSIU: has AC outlet:1 120V 150 in back of center console; why just 150W? -The generator powers in the order of >50kW!
    9. ^NSN6SO: Betsy’s Prius AHEEBA (Hybrid w/o plug hatchback) 2006.03
      1. ^NSN6XE: Same as NSN6TP except the heater & AC produced equal noise.
      2. ^NSN6ZC: For NSN6YH:, was ~66 inches; but
        
        ^NSN73Z: moving & tiling the seats forward as possible gave a bed 79in long (so sleeping straight doable) BUT left a 19inch (by 17in) gap to fill in.
      3. ^NSN74O: usable roof area (working around centerish antenna) is 5ft long but 42in wide.
6. ^NSDOG8: ‘the electricity’
  1. ^NSDOGM: is hard & costly here is here is off-grid, plus on a vehicle and especially a stealthy & tiny one.
  2. ^NSDWZO: see requirements
  3. ^NSJYQB: schematics:
    1. ^NT3A5V: upverter.com prooved too buggy to be useable, including brought all Chrome to crawl. Details ending NSOOTO.
    2. ^NT39Z7: in Google Draw: ‘general battery+inverter+charger+loads combos schematic NSOOTY’
  4. ^NSI0C6: If running an appliance significantly (as >3hrs/day), it may be best getting a DC version (12V) instead of AC (120V) to save the loss of using the DC-to-AC inverter.
    1. ^NSI17D: That loss will be ~15% if the inverter’s total AC wattage is <15% of its capacity, and ~10% otherwise.
    2. ^NSI188: note for refrigerators I currently suspect this is currently not the case, instead AC better.
  5. ^NSJGQZ: electrically connects (shares power) with ‘portable battery power pack’:
7. ^NSDX5H: 100% exterior items
  1. ^NSDXBK: requires a more advanced ‘alarm system’ with:
    1. ^NSDXCG: at least 1 of these detector methods, from most preferred:
      1. ^NSDXG4: proximity detector as http://www.viper.com/car/accessories/product/508d/invisibeam-field-disturbance-sensor ideally with warning when near
      2. ^NSDXIS: bump or movement detector
      3. ^NSDXCZ: wire passing thru all items such that, to remove them, requires breaking/seperating the wire which will trigger alarm if alarm armed.
    1. ^NSDXLB: without looking ugly, everything should be as low-profile as possible, and pilferables kept hidden else not looking valuable.
  2. ^NSEWBT: physically securing
    1. ^NSEWDO: is a major challenge
    2. ^NSDX5V: must be able withstand hours of ~100MPH winds and/and heavy rain (from driving say 80MPH plus a 20MPH front wind)
  3. ^NSEWEN: ‘items on roof’
    1. ^NSEWG1: physically securing (also see parent)
      1. ^NSEWHX: design: partial so far
    2. ^NSEWJU: where the roof can bear significant weight
      1. ^NSHQLL: more TBA
    3. ^NSIXMQ: purpose
      1. ^NSIXN8: primarily to to free up the interior from clutter, ideally entirely
        
        ^NSIY3N: while this useful (to cut clutter) for any vehicle which is well-well prepared with accessories or just normally gets cluttered, it is seemingly essential for living from a vehicle as that requires a lot more stuff in the vehicle.
      2. ^NSIXOT: second, to keep the interior cool by taking the sun’s direct heat
        
        ^NSIXPV: especially via the roof shade.
        
        ^NSIYOR: importance:
        
        ^NSIYR7: not very important to a vehicle only used to for driving and with a good working AC, but
        
        ^NSIYRP: could (probably will) make big improvements for living from a vehicle
        
        ^NSIYRZ: as
        
        ^NSIYTT: significantly shields vehicle interior from sun heat without significant indeed any power, with importance of such shielding detailed in context of NSJWOS.
        
        ^NSIYBP: how much unplesant interior heat will this kill?
        
        ^NSIYD4: testing to be done.
        
        ^NSIYCI: I expect significant.
        
        ^NSIY6M: this (these roof items) only stops most direct sun from hitting the top of the vehicle interior,
        
        ^NSIYFN: but that appears to make a significant impact in the 2 related situations I tested it:
        
        ^NSIYM0: on my Roadtrek roof windows (3 small ones), blocking them with a sun screen during the SoCal summers reduced the interior temp about 15F during the day, making a dramatic improvement.
        
        ^NSIYNW: operating a new black 3cf fridge in direct sun within hours raised the top level (the freezer) from 0F to 50F (a 50F temp increase, despite active cooling) while the 2nd level (the refrigerator, where the temometer appears to be) remained acceptable temp.
    4. ^NSHO8Q: roof rails & rack
      1. ^NSHO95: more TBA
    5. ^NSDOBM: ‘refrigeration’ (as freezer+refrigerator)
      1. ^NSDOC7: this has been the near most challenging component as
        
        ^NSDOD8: it needs to be efficient, as even if efficient, it uses not just the most but ~80% of the electricity, and electricity is costly
        
        ^NSDOI7: besides the the vehicle itself, the biggest compoennt and must remain upright and itself cooled
      2. ^NSDPMF: size needed
        
        ^NSDPMV: an especially large freezer comparment
        
        ^NSDPQF: especially for storing frozen meals
        
        ^NSDPNZ: as frozen meals are good tasting & asthetic (including much more than canned food), probably healthy, and very indeeed the the least expensive (as $2) compared to all other sources of prepared food.
        
        ^NSDQ4E: probably 1 to 2.5 cf
        
        ^NSDQ5B: appears no single-door refrigeration units have large freezers (unless just a freezer) so unit must have 2 doors.
      3. ^NSDUUM: location
        
        ^NSDUV5: rear roof of vehicle, with doors opening upward with contents accessible via standing on the rear bumper
        
        ^NSDUY4: reasonable amounts of air able to circulate all around it, so NOT enclosed in a small container, per standard refrigerator specs
        
        ^NSDUYK: shaded from direct sun and white or silver color
        
        ^NSDVBN: covered by a tarp shading ths & the whole roof cargo roof and ideally having the solar panels powering the fridge & more
        
        ^NSDV30: my new Walmart popular 3.1cf black upright fridge running outdoors in the direct OC summer sun (~100F weather) failed after a few hours
        
        ^NSDV7M: refrigerator kept stable temperature but freezer heated to 50F
        
        ^NSDV95: from ~3pm to 1am, the compressor turned off, cutting all cooling, presumably due to overload protection.
      4. ^NSDPWZ: standard energy-efficient refrigeration (via AC, not DC)
        
        ^NSDPLC: an upright 2-door standard refrigerator+freezer 3.1 to 3.5 cf total converted to chest mount
        
        ^NSDPVU: the so far most likely choice.
      5. ^NSDOMU: refrigeration directly via DC (so specifically for vehicles or camping or solar)
        
        ^NSDOMU: I’m currently saying NO to due to the drawbacks mentioned here
        
        ^NSDP52: broken down by type:
        
        ^NSDP5K: thermocoolers
        
        ^NSDP5T: affordable & fairly common but
        
        ^NSDP68: almost no popular units do freezing
        
        ^NSDP6Y: they don’t seem ever over 2cf
        
        ^NSDP8L: they are reportedly not good for big exterior temperature variances, but in a vehicle for long-term storage and on its roof, that’s what we’ll have.
        
        ^NSDP9X: DC compressor refrigeration
        
        ^NSDOQ5: They are 3 to 10x more expensive to buy than standard refrigeration
        
        ^NSDOW4: That still could be tolerable, but this is a vehicle sitaution, indeed here stored on top of a roof, so the chanes of loss, from theft else accident, high.
        
        ^NSDP4O: efficient normal refrigeration plus a common DC-to-AC inverter, probably not significantly more efficient than and indeed might be significantly worse
        
        ^NSDOQ5: While they claim to be especially efficient for vehicle or/and solar especially 12V DC use
        
        ^NSDPHT: and yes by using a DC motor they save using a DC-to-AC inverter.
        
        ^NSDPI8: DC-to-AC inverters in this range report being~85 to 90% efficient and a mere $30 for 150W.
        
        ^NSDPBR: except for ~one very expensive one, almost none none give ratings (as KWH/yr typical) needed to precisely measure this efficieny,
        
        ^NSDPCU: none are rated by the leading appliance standards as EnergyStar.Gov, and the units are typically rare (probably ~1/500th compared to # of normal refrigeration), and the normal refrigeration market has gotten somewhat efficiency-competitive due to EnergyStar ratings they all now feature on their stickers
        
        ^NSDPR5: almost all have small freezers (unless a whole unit dedicated to a freezer, and that then doubles the expensive price and probably notably hurts energy efficiency)
      6. ^NSHO9X: ‘roof cargo container(s)’
        
        ^NSHOAM:  hold, from most critical:…
        
        ^NSHP31: everything normally contained in & cluttering the car’s interior
        
        ^NSHZV1: see 1st intro NSGVTS
        
        ^NSI0M0: for hot or cold weather, especially heating & cooling in the vehicle but NOT driving
        
        ^NSHZVK: naturally these items are only necessary (so need to be obtained & carried) if the situations they are for are happening.
        
        ^NSHZW5: as an alterative to these items, one could keep the car running and run its heater or air conditioner,
        
        ^NSI1XK: but typically big problems with that detailed at NSIYVQ:
        
        ^NSI1P8: So, in general, for non-driving, we need means to regulate the weather, specifically our body climate, that those outside our vehicle won’t be alerted by.
        
        ^NSI1J0: for the electric appliances mentioned here,
        
        ^NSI08D: obtain & use them if non-powered solutions aren’t good enough.
        
        ^NSI0AZ: especially due to ‘portable battery power pack’, we should have the silent power for 1 or 2 people to use them each day provided they aren’t oversized applicances and their results aren’t wasted.
        
        ^NSI0XH: for the big ones, as electric portable space {heater and especially air-conditioner}, we probably don’t have the power these (as they aren’t targeted (not just the creatures body but affect the whole space) and the cars walls especially windows are not well insulated) unless we ran the generator and that generally makes more attention-getting noise than the vehicle.
        
        ^NSI02S: for cold weather
        
        ^NSI0YL: thermal underwear & extra layers of clothing
        
        ^NSHP59: ‘sleeping bag’
        
        ^NSI07S: electric blanket
        
        ^NSI1KR: This was strongly recommended to me by a ‘living in your car’ book I bought I think 1995.
        
        ^NSI0X4: general electric heaters –unlikley
        
        ^NSI0I5: for hot weather
        
        ^NSI0J2: short & light & minimal clothing
        
        ^NSI1TF: go into a building you can use, as a Starbucks, where it’s cool.
        
        ^NSI0II: electric fan
        
        ^NSI2LL: a small one that’s wearable or otherwise blows directly on you is a huge help w/o using much power.
        
        ^NSI1RD: portable air conditioning unit –very unlikely
        
        ^NSHOB0: clothing
        
        ^NSHR1U: portable bathroom supplies
        
        ^NSHR25: see also details at NSGZ0V
        
        ^NSHR36: for use, for privacy, these would be moved to the interior
        
        ^NSHR44: …generally temprorarily (as they would clutter the interior and are unasthetic), but it could be permanent as the user needs/prefers
        
        ^NSHP9F: extra space items temporarily carried (as purchases not needing refrigeration or other special care)
        
        ^NSHOBD: ‘portable battery power pack’: battery+inverter+charger + jumper cable pack on roller-cart
        
        ^NSHY5G: includes at least 1 12v max-sized Marine battery
        
        ^NSHOCX: so affordable for its big capacity (LI would cost ~20x more!), but heavy! ~70lbs!
        
        ^NSHY89: so includes roller cart, making it about 1/3rd the trouble to move.
        
        ^NSHYBL: lifting it into & out-of roof cargo must be done carefully and will not be possible for smaller persons.
        
        ^NSHY4X: see also intro reference NSHXVO
        
        ^NSHODX: NOT ‘refrigeration’ as that needs (shaded) air cooling plus is very big.
        
        ^NSHODM: microwave with rotating tray
        
        ^NSHYJ0: smallest popular: 700W
        
        ^NSHYJR: I expect this will be fine.
        
        ^NSHYKN: 700W size can typically be powered off a standard 1100W inverter, and any larger microwave will require a larger inverter, probably 2000W, which are about propotionately more expensive.
        
        ^NSHYPZ: any popular size microwave should be possible provided one as the space (here seems likey) and a big-enough inverter
        
        ^NSHOFC: bag of extension cords & outlets
        
        ^NSHYS0: especially important for work or play meetings where over 2 people each need electronics as a laptop.
        
        ^NSHOG7: ‘portable small quiet gasoline-to-AC generator’
        
        ^NSHYTR: see intro at NSGYKQ
        
        ^NSHZ0G: as far as using this to power the full time load (as the refrigerator), this seems a reasonable problem:
        
        ^NSHZEG: as
        
        ^NSHZ4E: to keep it on all the time would be waaseful plus a bit costly (~1 gal of gas per day) plus probably typically still no noisy so bad-attention-getting at night
        
        ^NSHZ7V: to run it just to charge the batteries would mean having to manually start it every day for ~4 hours then stop it, and again while it’s on its noise would attract attention by anyone passing near, plus inexpensive sizable battery chargers (>30A) for fast charging are 2.5x bigger than the battery.
        
        ^NSHZFE: so it does not seem a good regular solution for this.
        
        ^NSHOJG: ‘portable {digital projector + screen}’
        
        ^NSHZQD: see 1st intro NSH0LR
        
        ^NSHZL6:   recommended portable screen (awesome 120inch-diagonal example)
        
        ^NSHOMB: portable big speakers
        
        ^NSHP8I: additional appliaces desired, as coffeemaker for some
        
        ^NSHOP3: cargo bags, not boxes (solid) containers
        
        ^NSHOPT:  likely as bags:
        
        ^NSHOR9: cost ~1/2 to 1/7th the price of a boxes
        
        ^NSHOYO: indeed many boxes are so expensive (as $200 to $800) they themselves apparently would become a target of theves!
        
        ^NSHOS3: are dynamically expandable & collapsable per cargo needs, including collapse to almost 0 space when not needed.
        
        ^NSHOSP: probably easier to secure cargo (instead of rolling around in a big box)
        
        ^NSHOVF: appear just as weatherproof
        
        ^NSHOW5: on quick look appear more secure from theves but seems a thief with a crowbar or similar could steal the whole thing almost as easily.
        
        ^NSHV4A:  the lack of areodynamics mostly undone by the roof shade
      7. ^NSDVG0: ‘roof cargo shade’
        
        ^NSDVGO: purpose:
        
        ^NSHVGY: to protect most all roof items from weather ~85% of the serious weather (direct sun & rain & wind) without using any else significant power (so passive) and without having significant mass (as think insulation)
        
        ^NSDVKS: most importantly, to keep most all roof items, especially ‘refrigeration’, as cool as possible by taking the direct sunlight which would otherwise hit them
        
        ^NSDVQT: consequently
        
        ^NSDVRS: it prevents sunlight from directly hitting
        
        ^NSIXY7: of course not the solar panels, but
        
        ^NSIXVO: all other roof cargo, at least the top and as-much-as-possible of the sides
        
        ^NSIXW8: a little of the roof itself (with most of the rest of the roof blocked by direct sun by the other roof cargo)
        
        ^NSDW1Z: at least its top is a color for maximum light & heat reflection (as silver or white)
        
        ^NSDVTS:it allows air to circulate fairly freely over the cargo it covers (to gain from free air cooling)
        
        ^NSDVRI: it is effectively light-proof
        
        ^NSHV7D: consequently, it will notably reduce the weathering of most all roof items by it taking this weather instead of them
        
        ^NSDW9Z: where “most all roof items” includes, from most significant:
        
        ^NSDWA7: the ‘refrigeration’ foremost
        
        ^NSDWAF: ‘roof cargo container(s)’ & roof itself
        
        ^NSDWC4: consequently this should also help cool the car interior
        
        ^NSDWDR: not the sides nor hood of the car as extending over these portions would not look socially acceptable
        
        ^NSDWHI: naturally not any solar panels as that would defeat them.
        
        ^NSDVP3: to hold solar panels, probably all of them, where they will get maximum sunlight (notably on top facing the sun)
        
        ^NSHVZL: ‘solar panels’
        
        ^NSHXN4: see also 1st mentions at NSGYK1
        
        ^NSHVZY: total amount of raw power rating needed
        
        ^NSHW0Y: latest estimate: 400W
        
        ^NSHW5F: panel layout
        
        ^NSHW5W: 3 to ~10 rectangles, each slightly longer than {the width of the roof, ~40inches} and <= ~25in wide, joined with minimal gaps like dominos connected by their long thin edge, to create a “tank tread” like structure that rides just over the present most all roof items layout to protect it plus give it areodynamics.
        
        ^NSHW3J: (so) panel dimensions & wattage each
        
        ^NSHW49: laest testimate: 41in by ~21 inches, 100W each
        
        ^NSHW1D: substrate/frame
        
        ^NSHW1Y: flexible thin plastic, instead of usual solid (metal) frames of glass panels.
        
        ^NSHWKD: most likely as…
        
        ^NSHWLK: pro: it (incorrectly 🙂 looks less expensive (to those unknowing), so seeming significant less chance of theft
        
        ^NSHWLA: pro: makers report it much more durable
        
        ^NSHWQ2: small pro: its dramatically more portable (just don’t imagine moving it will be that common, even for the portable power pack)
        
        ^NSHXII: while I think I could well-mount the standard solid panels, flexible…
        
        ^NSHWPC: pro: is easier to mount
        
        ^NSHWOX: tiny pro: is commonly used & recommended for vehicle solar (just that I do think I could solidly mount the
        
        ^NSHXKQ: mixed: could be an advantage or disadvantage wrapping around the cargo shape since air gap is still needed
        
        ^NSHWMM: con: costs ~40% more -significant but still managable.
        
        ^NSHUWS: to give the roof cargo areodynamics for forward driving, for stable ride & notably lower MPG
        
        ^NSHUYE: https://www.google.com/search?q=roof+cargo+OR+rack+mileage+OR+MPG will probably have stats on how the areodynamics of roof items affects MPG.
        
        ^NSHV0B: among other benefits, this should notably
        
        ^NSHV77: aid using inexpensive cargo bags (inexpensive) instead of streamlined solid boxes (moderately to very expensive),
        
        ^NSDW0C: it is held ideally ~1 inch, and no more than say 1 foot, above all cargo it protects, so to keep a low profile both socially and to the wind.
        
        ^NSDWWA: consequently
        
        ^NSDWV2: needs to be readily adjustable to accomodate the various sizes of cargo put on the roof, notably into the cargo bag(s)
        
        ^NSDWNU: materials
        
        ^NSDWRN: suface
        
        ^NSDWOI: a silver or white tarp –probably
        
        ^NSDWP7: just the solar panels themselves, especially if flexible –possibly
        
        ^NSDWT9: frame
        
        ^NSDWQN: held up for a PVC frame & cables –possibly
  4. ^NSHQOE: bike rack
    1. ^NSHQP8: yes >= 2 full sized bikes can be carried, too!
    2. ^NSHQPZ: tying bikes into ‘alarm system’
      1. ^NSHQQM: seems necessary
      2. ^NSHQQT: TBA
    3. ^NSHQOQ: my bike rack
      1. ^NSHQSA: holds 2 full-sized bikes
      2. ^NSHQSK: attaches to rear hatchback
      3. ^NSHQUV: still allows rear hatchback to be opened!
        
        ^NSHQW0: but, when bike(s) are on the rack, due to the weight, the rear door will no longer stay opened –unless prop-up stick/lock is designed & made
      4. ^NSHQSW: physically locks it & bikes onto door, mostly via existing door lock, via lock system I designed– but this is not strong enough to protect against bolt cutters.
8. ^NSHQYO: items mostly in the interior
  1. ^NSJFMY: Thanks to the roof cargo, no clutter in the interior except blanket & pillows in the back plus one’s normal hand-carried {bags & electronics}.
  2. ^NSHQYZ: ‘human bed’
    1. ^NSHQZ9: see vehicle details
    2. ^NSHQZQ: more TBA
  3. ^NSI0G0: vehicle’s normal seating
  4. ^NSJX09: window tinting & other covering
    1. ^NSJX0R: tinting
      1. ^NSJX1Z: The windshield cannot be legally tinted significantly in most states, and with seeming good reason, so don’t tint.
      2. ^NSJX4E: the front seats side windows can be tinted to a limited degree in significant states, and I found ideal is ~50% (need to check my notes for exact).
      3. ^NSJX68: all other windows can be tinted to any level in most states. I found ideal is ~30% (need to check receipt for exact notes).
      4. ^NSJX94: more TBA
  5. ^NSJX9K: ‘electric fans to blow out the interior heat from direct sun’
    1. ^NSJXAH: our direct sun heat shelding is probably still insufficient, making this necessary.
    2. ^NSJXG9: goals
      1. ^NSJXEW: effectively powered only by solar panels, as they’re only needed when the sun is directly shining on the vehicle.
      2. ^NSJXH9: use does not allow humans outside the vehicle to significantly hear or see into the vehicle interior
      3. ^NSJXID: super convenient, automatic & ideally always-installed, requring only seasonal setup at most.
      4. ^NSJXPN: scaled to blow as much excess heat out of the vehicle without requiring excessive watts (so solar panels)
      5. ^NSJXNP: ideally doesn’t require drilling holes through the vehicle
      6. ^NSJXUE: like everyting, affordable
    3. ^NSJXVR: models (pick as many as needed to do the job):
      1. ^NSJXWG: vehicle’s built-in blower to/from outside air
        
        ^NSJY1P: problem: wiring to be added to automatically turn on & off & power
      2. ^NSJXX1: fans that hang in the crack of a window left slightly open
        
        ^NSJXXR: problem:
        
        ^NSJXZG: the built-in solar panel seems way too weak
        
        ^NSJXZT: having an exteral power (as solar panel) requires wiring that could interfer with door operation
        
        ^NSJY0O: allows rain to get in
        
        ^NSJY3F: may fail NSJXH9
    4. ^NSJY4N: more TBA.
^NSJNMA: relevant vehicle living background & strategy (on land you don’t own nor rent) which mostly applies to all vehicles
1. ^NSJLWH: we have to do a ton of thinking about raw motor vehicles used for housing. I do that in this section.
2. ^NSDXSS: ‘protection from bad human behavior’
  1. ^NSDX98: this appears the hardest challenge, as humans are smart and presently many/majority feel ok stealing others’ liberty here plus, there’s always a small % who steal- or/and vandalize-property.
  2. ^NSF0DS: here bad behavior comes from onlooking humans locally (as in-person) seeing the vehicle especially where it’s parked, and comes in 3 key types, from worst first:
    1. ^NSF0EJ: ‘liberty thieves’: ‘liberty thief’s stealing, else attempting to steal, others’ right to sleep or otherwise live from shelter (here a vehicle) & location (here a parking spot) which its users have ligimitate access to,
      1. ^NSF8J7: so including attempting to stop others with no legit justification, including the shelter used (in this case a vehicle) is legally located (here, parked) and its users have legal access to it.
      2. ^NSF0IU: this is the toughest problem here by far
        
        ^NSF0TP: indeed if it weren’t for this problem, one could just buy an inexpensive quality RV and be done (well except for theft & vandalism, but that’s easier for RVs than with any unique vehicle)
      3. ^NSCI2O: sleeping or otherwise living from a vehicle appears hated so much that any vehicle where it could be happening, notably RVs of all sorts, are no longer appear acccepted unless parked on private property specifically & clearly allowing RVs or typically only if just driving thru town.
      4. ^NSCHNE: as at least in S.Cal urban areas and suburbia, sleeping in a vehicle, even if only 1 night, is (wrongfully) increasingly unaccepted by society to the degree the doer, if spotted or even suspected, will not only be looked down upon in disgust and/or envy but will be stopped else run out of town by residences, businesses, and security & police.
        
        ^NSCII5: indeed, at least in my home of Orange County, it feels
        
        ^NSCITK: a number of cities not only ban RVs from street parking overnight, but also in one’s own driveway.
        
        ^NSCITV: the only acceptable RVs are those
        
        ^NSCIV6: just driving thru town and not stopping anywhere long, especially not in the evening and during the night
        
        ^NSCJFG: or else parked in pricy storage lots just for RVs and which explicitly prohit any living from the vehicles when kept there including the lots lock down at night after forcing all persons out
        
        ^NSCJIG: or else in the extremely rare RV parks which charge prohibitive ~$75/nite so seem only used by wealthy travelers in their overpriced RVs indeed some parks insist all RVs be be no older than ~15 years.
        
        ^NSCIY2: and/so typically just RVs so new & expensive-looking (the norm for RVs here) that they can only be afforded by people who are so rich they would never dream of using any vehicle for standard housing so then also making their RV(s) wasteful extra housing used only a few days a year if that and really mostly just to show off their financial opulance (which, in OC, sadly is considered acceptable).
        
        ^NSCKER: indeed inexpensive travel trailers and even truck campers (both practical but inexpensive RVs), while their used to a few on the road in Orange County, now I can’t reacall seeing in OC for about 10 years!
        
        ^NSCHVL: indeed now now 3 of 4 California cities outlaw sleeping in a legally-parked vehicle
        
        ^NSCHZZ: though fortunately it’s appearing a state law will be eradicating all such bans, making it totally legal to sleep in one’s legally parked vehicle.
        
        ^NSJMTB: aside: per this topic, add this post to category ‘housing via motor vehicle NR5KZ5’ and ‘motor vehicle parking NR5LBI’
      5. ^NSF7BF: aside
        
        .^NSF7BQ: concept ‘liberty thief’
        
        ^NSF911: definition
        
        ^NSF7CG: a creature that prevents and especially attempts to prevent others from doing victimless activities by means other than free speech, so attempts or does take away others freedoms illegitimately.
        
        ^NSF8T6: name
        
        ^NSF8V1: ‘liberty thief’
        
        ^NSFA5Z: at time of its ID (~10min ago), I invented this phrase to replace ‘liberty violator’ and it indeed seems better.
        
        ^NSFAJJ: GS(“liberty thief”) finds only 381 matches, with apparently no definition and, for page 1, only 1 possible similar use.
        
        ^NSF8RH: ‘liberty violator’
        
        ^NSF7KY: ~5 minutes ago I invented this phrase for 1st use at ‘liberty violators’
        
        ^NSF7SW: GS(“liberty violator”) presently gives only 470 uses, and, on quick look, no apparent defintions.
        
        ^NSFAR3: con: ambigious including wrong meaning ‘to violate, as by exceeding, ones privilidges’
        
        ^NSF7FH: it is an especially powerful phrase as, in just 2 words, it can accurately label a creature as bad, as a ‘violator’, similar to ‘thief’ or ‘vandal’.
    2. ^NSF0IL: ‘property thieves’: property thieves
      1. ^NSDXPC: at least in America, this does not seem to be necessary for most low-profile inexpensive cars (as this) where no valuables well shown as such
        
        ^NSDXUN: but here now it seems a signifant problem, indeed worse than an RV, as both:
        
        ^NSDXX6: first, seemingly unavoidably, the vehicle will routinely seem somewhat different, at least on its roof, and there in a big way (the cargo containers there) that could spotted even across a huge parking lot, and there it will appear that significant stuff is contained (accurate) and it be easy to get to, so theieves will now probably be several times more attracted & approach to steal.
        
        ^NSDY5J: second, with the car now regularly serving as housing, it is more likely something valuable is accidentally left exposed at least in its interior
        
        ^NSDY7N: which probably could be seen from outside even with tinting once cupping ones face to the glass
        
        ^NSDYQ2: unless the windows are 100% obscured, and for a car that’s so rare it then would probably raise even significantly more negative attention, especially as it then would be in addition to the odd cargo roof, so seemingly should not be done
    3. ^NSF0IU: ‘property vandals’: property vandals.
      1. ^NSFNYC: For the general motor vehicle this appears very rare to the degree not to be worried about it,
        
        ^NSFO6K: indeed, in my decades of driving, I’ve only first-hand known it happening once & it was minor (months after the fact, I discovered it seemed some unknown person had had apparently knifed a small hole in the exposed spare tire of my van, and I suspect it was not personally against me just some person being randomly destructive, or it could have been a sharp object I unknowingly happened to back into).
      2. ^NSFO9L: however, in this case of a pretty unuusal vehicle, a car but with a lot of stuff on the top, it would be more likely to be vandalized, but that alone is still not enough.
      3. ^NSFOC6: however, in the case with professional advertizing on the vehicle, that would seemingly increase the odds, but still my guess is it wouldn’t happen
        
        ^NSFOKM: …unless in a getto/gang-like neighborhood the vehicle was left parked overnight on the street or in a publically-accessible business parking lot, but it would seem near nonexistent one would be or want to be in such neighborhood anyway, especially at night, especially if living from one’s vehicle –just drive to & park in a better neighborhood of course!
      4. ^NSFOMJ: So where it did happen, the ‘all (4) basic forms of protection’, developed for the other problems, I well expect would fully handle it.
  3. ^NSDYCD: thus ‘all (4) basic forms of protection’ seem very necessary, from the seemingly most effective:
    1. ^NSF07U: crafty appearance to onlookers (for ‘protection from bad human behavior’)
      1. ^NSF5TQ: this is #1 as what creatures react to something according to how it appears to them.
      2. ^NSF5WD: from methods roughly most important:
        
        ^NSFBYH: stealth
        
        ^NSF09Y: ‘unnoteworthy’ (raw stealth); -do not attract attention
        
        ^NSF01H: This is tops because what creatures don’t see they generally leave alone.
        
        ^NSEZUV: ‘no-home appearance’:
        
        ^NSF638: specifically onlookers should do not think anyone is sleeping in or otherwise living from/in the vehicle.
        
        ^NSF0AL: This is 2nd only to ‘unnoteworthy’ because both:
        
        ^NSF6ID: here this is a home (so easy to appear that way) but
        
        ^NSF6H7: appearing like a home attracts all 3 bad bahviors
        
        ^NSF696: ‘no-valuables appearance’
        
        ^NSF6AB: this protects against ‘theft’ foremost, ‘vandalism’ second, and also helps acheive ‘unnoteworthy’
        
        ^NSCIF4: so, by this, the extended vehicle should look as unnoticable as possible, including appear just like someone just passing thru driving to/from a ski trip (as ski trips speak of financial weath) else a camping trip else someone who forgot to remove their car-top cargo bag/box, and should definitely NOT give the remotest hint of anyone using the vehicle to sleep in or live from.
        
        ^NSFLFL:if the vehicle does attract attention (including from can’t be avoided), then…
        
        ^NSFLGP: to the degree the vehicle gets significant attention, it likely needs to explain itself (generally via a sign), notably why it’s different, else humans will get upset (from it’s creator (another human) being different w/o explaining) or/and notice it more (being curious)
        
        ^NSF5MA: make sure the vehicle directs direct significant attention to positive outcomes
        
        ^NSF64W: likely via distraction from what outlookers should not see: further archiving ‘no-valuables appearance’ and especially ‘not-home appearance’
        
        ^NSFC4D: business sign(s) prominantely displayed on the vehicle suggesting {the purpose for the vehicle which you need-else-wish to feature to onlookers}
        
        ^NSFC5J: a likely big winner
        
        ^NSFKNX: wording’
        
        ^NSFKOH: [big attached signs] ‘Working appliances even refrigerator on cars, plus small events, 100% solar powered by portable battery pack! Free quotes. NSolar@mi.dreamhoster.com or 1.949.555.5828. http://1.JotHere.com/…’
        
        ^NSFKY5: –pretty good & possible (wording)
        
        ^NSFL8O: alerts to many of the goods on board indeed suggests they are removable
        
        ^NSFMFO: huge pro: (with a mere simple sign,) seriously acheives the ‘not-home appearance’ –indeed causes onlookers to forget that thought immediately as it’s now replaced by positive curiosity and even regularly ‘hey, I want that, too’!
        
        ^NSFMK6: to this end is why ‘freezer’ is not mentioned here, even though that’s a more impressive acheivement: as that might then cause onlookers to possibly-again start thinking ‘Why would one need a freezer on a car? -Is someone living from there?’
        
        ^NSFM1L: notable pro: could attract significant real customers especially when onlookers see the working mechanisms right there.
        
        ^NSFM3C: In SoCal, maybe especially OC, where the people love their fancy cars probably more than anywhere in the US, plus is is famous for its sun & perhaps solar industry, this might generate especially big positive results with the ‘hey, I want a solar refrigerator on/in my car, too!’
        
        ^NSFMRB: And then once appliances on cars becomes popular & cool (as via this demo & pitch), then, the next step, sleeping & living from a vehicle could, for many, well become cool, too 🙂 –just people have to get there at their own place, reaching that point by themselves.
        
        ^NSFLD9: pro: he refrigerator & definitely the solar panels could already be spotted, so this explains them
        
        ^NSFLD4: con: attracts thieves to be sure, but not fully (though maybe still 90%) as it also attracts everyone and they don’t want to be seen stealing stuff.
        
        ^NSFS6K: ‘WORKING APPLIANCES ON BOARD’ in a yellow diamond (as a humerous take-off of the ‘BABY ON BOARD’ signs popular in 1985)
        
        ^NSFSBG: this should only be used with additional signag nearby fully explaining it, else it will confuse & possibly upset instead of be funny.
        
        ^NSFCAG: purposes
        
        ^NSFC60: key: give the impression the vehicle is for a business and ‘not-home appearance’ plus ‘no-valuables appearance’
        
        ^NSFC9D: as possible, explain the vehicle’s oddness in an ideally positive way
        
        ^NSFCA2: use the attention to sell something good, ideally to sell on the concept of this vehicle
        
        ^NSFCHG: gives a professional & helper image image, instead of a poor/personal image.
        
        ^NSFCCP: well displays an easy way to contact the vehicle owner, as a prominante phone #, which will then cause onlookers
        
        ^NSFCGB: to use that, instead of calling a tow truck or security or the police, if they are upset by the vehicle –excellent
        
        ^NSFCGQ: to think `oh, this person is upfront so isn’t hiding anything [incorrect], so I can have nothing to worry about [correct]’
    2. ^NSDXOI: ‘alarm system’: alarm system
      1. ^NSEVXB: must be very good
      2. ^NSDYEO: including alarm system warnings
        
        ^NSDYUO: probably core here to stopping most attempt from turning into full thefts: ‘an oz of prevention is worth a lb of cure’
        
        ^NSEUQF: types (seemingly do every one):
        
        ^NSEUUM: blinking red light warning of alarm activation
        
        ^NSEUUT: audio (ideally words) plus blinking auto lights when a person gets within inches of the vehicle and its attached items
        
        ^NSEUV4: stickers prominantly placed, such as on the door windows
        
        ^NSEUYI: wording (for audio and/or stickers)
        
        ^NSEUZ2: in the local natural language (in S. Cal, English and perhaps Spanish)
        
        ^NSEUZT: ‘Anti- theft & vandalism warning: this vehicle is protected by a sophisticated alarm system which detects if its items are removed or the vehicle is moved, and alarms with horn, lights, verbal, and silent alerts to authorities including tracking.’
        
        ^NSEVR4: -example
      3. ^NSEW0C: sensors/detectors
        
        ^NSEW13: if doors are opened
        
        ^NSEW2K: see for external items
        
        ^NSEWAB: see warning wordings
      4. ^NSEW43: alerts
        
        ^NSEW7N: see warning wordings
      5. ^NSDYT0: including remote alert and possible tracking system, as LoJack,
    3. ^NSDZ1N: preparing for the acccessories and/or the whole vehicle to be fairly regularly lost, including:
      1. ^NSDZ2Z: keeping its costs down
      2. ^NSDZ36: not storing in it anything reasably replacable
        
        ^NSDZ47: so including cloud storage for all data on computing devices which may be left with the vehicle
      3. ^NSDZ0Z: auto insurance which includes theft of property on & in the vehicle
    4. ^NSDYDF: physically locking things down against humans
      1. ^NSDZ8Y: this seems mostly impractical, as:
        
        ^NSDZA2: every auto theif knows s/he many car doors can be slim-jimmed
        
        ^NSDZAV: roof cargo boxes are lockable inlcuding sometimes to the roof, but it apepars the locks are easily to defeat and the boxes themselves can be so expensive, indeed easily $500 if brand names, that the boxes themselves become something to steal
        
        ^NSDZH1: every theif could correclty see roof cargo bags and/or their straps can be sliently & quickly cut off just with a good knife
        
        ^NSDZL2: exterior items of value can & seemingly should be connected to the vehicle via a steel cable or chain, but my understnding is all of those can be easily & fast cut by a common bolt cutter unless the chain is very heavy which then probably makes it impractical.
3. ^NSJ0AN: outsider humans will instantly be concerned & investigate & raise alarm whenever a vehicle emits a non-expected sound or light or smell or movement –readily a problem for non-careful vehicle living
  1. ^NSJ0FD: if a vehicle emits any noise or light or smell or movement other than what’s normal when being driven, most any outside human detecting that is instantly going to want to look into the vehicle to see what is going on, and especially if s/he can’t quick see a reasonable explanation (especially if all windows are blocked), s/he’s very likely going to instantly get alarmed and either investigate or/and call other humans in for help.
    1. ^NSJ0KH: foremost, this is appropriately instant & instictive for humans living with vehicles, because all humans know a vehicles, especially motor vehicles,
      1. ^NSJ13L: do routinely cause injury & death from accidents (from their engines propelling them), plus
      2. ^NSJ13W: motor vehicles typically contain significant stored fuel, usually gasoline, which can cause strong fires and even explode.
      3. ^NSJ40N: are regularly stolen else stolen from, and so most own one, most naturally keep an eye of this.
    2. ^NSJ41H: secondly, it’s also strongly inappropriately done by humans, due to many/most humans disliking if not hating others from living from vehicles.
  2. ^NSJ0OT: the problem is, a normal house routinely emits all sorts of lights & noise & even smells & some interior/ajacent movents, even when the house is not moving (which it usually doesn’t!),
    1. ^NSJ58Z: so a vehicle dweller by default has to hide these –has to hide all signs of life in the vehicle whenever it’s not being driven– (else immediately well-explain them which is typically impractical),
      1. ^NSJ5CQ: —else good appearacnes, especially ‘no-home appearance’, will be instantly blown.
      2. ^NSJ0XT: see especially ‘gettng heating, cooling, & electricity when NOT driving’ especially NSI21X
4. ^NSJPP3: electricity and human heating & cooling (for vehicle living)
  1. ^NSJPPL: this typically is a big problem.
  2. ^NSJPR1: as
    1. ^NSJQ2T: compared to standard buildings,
      1. ^NSJQ1A: pro: the vehicle is small (good for cooling & heating)
      2. ^NSJPYP: con: to continue to be portable, the vehicle needs sources for these which are also portable & small & not too heavy.
        
        ^NSJQNA: this is a major killer for electricity today, as inexpensive battery storage is extremely heavy.
      3. ^NSJPSK: big con: while not as bad as tents, vehicles are generally weakly insulated including easily gain & loose heat/cold thru all the windows & metal and from lacking an attic.
      4. ^NSJQ4P: huge con: a living-from vehicle needs sources which are basically undetectable by outsiders, including often (as in a parking lot) by people who are walking right next to it, so fumeless, motionless, and especially silent.
    2. ^NSJPUW: con: unless maybe an electric vehicle, running the engine or seemingly any combustion engine doesn’t work especially due to NSJQ4P
  3. ^NSJQQ1: solutions
    1. ^NSJQXL: for electricity
      1. ^NSJQYA: presently solar panels look the most immediately promising.
      2. ^NSJR00: electric vehicles which come with quiet electric sources, especially via fuel cell, look outstanding when affordable.
      3. ^NSJQYY: all other solutions are not pretty.
      4. ^NSJR5Q: note if one can really solve electricity, all others are pretty solvable except maybe full cooling.
    2. ^NSJQQI: for human heating
      1. ^NSJQQW: RV propane heater. PROS: plenty hot; safe, fairly quiet. CON: a bit pricy & bulky & requires serious vehicle modifications to install.
      2. ^NSJQU4: other solutions mentioned in this post.
    3. ^NSJQUL: for human cooling
      1. ^NSJQVF: no powerful easy solutions that I know, especially via air conditioning.
        
        ^NSJR6K: inclduing all standard solutions I’ve seen (some form of air conditioning) are a bit too noisy.
      2. ^NSJVID: ridding vehicle interior from direct sun heat
        
        ^NSJVJ6: this goes the majority of the way to make a vehicle tolerable to say in
        
        ^NSJVND: some relevant stats from https://google.com/search?q=how+hot+inside+car : find 1: as well as being intolerable if not killer for all life forms, ‘Parked cars are deathtraps for dogs: On a 78-degree day, the temperature inside a parked car can soar to between 100 and 120 degrees in just minutes, and on a 90-degree day, the interior temperature can reach as high as 160 degrees in less than 10 minutes.’ says Peta.
        
        ^NSJVSY: the goal here is to make the interior vehicle temperature match the outside (shade) temperature by keeping direct sun energy from getting and, when it gets in, flowing it out, using minimal extra power.
        
        ^NSJYN1: this feels reasonable doable with some clever but simple technology as shared in this post.
        
        ^NSJVWY: shielding from direct sun
        
        ^NSJVXG: methods include:
        
        ^NSJWCN: vehicle shading unattached to the vehicle:
        
        ^NSJWEL: problem is this blocks the vehicle’s solar panels, which properly could be crticial to its electricty.
        
        ^NSJVZ8: parking in shade
        
        ^NSJVYR: seperate vehicle covering
        
        ^NSJVY1: attached vehicle coverings with any solar panels on top
        
        ^NSJWOS: homepak roof items (direct-sun shielding).
        
        ^NSJWJO: ‘roof cargo shade’
        
        ^NSJYFD: pumping out heat from direct sun (that didn’t get stopped from getting in)
        
        ^NSJYG9: my guess is this will still be necessary depsite the best shielding.
        
        ^NSJYIO: most notably, see ‘electric fans to blow out the interior heat from direct sun’
      3. ^NSJQX9: other solutions mentioned in this post.
    4. ^NSJY7O: which is easier, staying warm or cooling off?
      1. ^NSJY8H: it feels like staying warm, including by my experience.
        
        ^NSJY9Y: as a consequence, for non-driving time in the vehicle, it seems a person should count on more of that for in the night, not the day.
        
        ^NSJYLE: but if NSJVSY acheived, days could be doable in a vehicle, too.
  4. ^NSJQDE: more TBA.
5. ^NSIYVQ: ‘getting heating, cooling, & electricity when NOT driving’ — readily a problem for non-careful vehicle living
  1. ^NSIYZH: almost all motor vehicles with a combustion engine require that engine running to…
    1. ^NSIZ2C: move the vehicle but even when the vehicle doesn’t need to be moved, to…
    2. ^NSIZ3K: run the air conditioner
    3. ^NSIZ54: run the heater
    4. ^NSIZ5B: run the alternator (so generate electricity)
  2. ^NSIZ6I: but when living from a vehicle, often for several hours, up to 24 each day, heating, cooling, and/or electricity are needed without wanting nor needing the vehicle to be moved
    1. ^NSJ69L: to solve this of course the most obvious solution is would be to turn on the vehicle’s engine without driving, as idling in park,
      1. ^NSNF1D: but so far I’ve never known this to work at all else else at least not for the air heating & cooling. Why?
        
        ^NSI1WS: The short seems from the fact that that automobiles weren’t designed for this use (for extended turning on the engine NOT for driving, but just to solve these other 3 problems)
        
        ^NSNFYO: Specifically, from most important/problems, we find killer lack of steath and, for non-electric vehicles, serious lack in the efficiency and native-electricity quantity:
        
        ^NSI21X: worst: {unless a vehicle is being driven, it making any sound or noise or light will attract it notable typically instant typically not-good attention by humans — per NSJ0AN}
        
        ^NSNER8: and so far I’ve seen no full good outcomes here: maybe fixing electricity, but not air heating & cooling.
        
        ^NSIZSS: indeed even the just a vehicle’s normal combustion engine idling (and/or the air cooling or heating, which sounds similar indeed often confusingly idential, even if that’s plesantly quiet and without any lights or movement or fumes that anyone will notice, still that’s a big problem here:
        
        ^NSIZT8: as for most any human who can detect as here that (typically anyone within ~30 feet), including if just passing thru,
        
        ^NSJ4NL: the vehicle’s even small engine sound/motion/fumes instrictively & smartly tells the person that the vehicle..
        
        ^NSIZV3: is probably driving or about to, so
        
        ^NSJ4AA: s/he better look at what it’s doing to see it doesn’t hit him/her.
        
        ^NSIZWJ: indeed, since a vehicle doesn’t drive itself (well, until self-driving vehicles are the norm), that vehicle better have someone in the driver’s seat!
        
        ^NSJ4LN: and even if the vehicle is not driving, vehicles are regularly dangerous and the fact that it’s running is controlled by the driver’s seat
        
        aside: merge this with NSJ0KH
        
        ^NSJ008: so if the onlooker doesn’t see someone driving or about to to drive, especially in the driver’s seat, she’s very likely going to get alarmed & investigate it.
        
        ^NSJ96P: then
        
        ^NSJ01L: totally & instantly causing the vehicle to fail ‘no-home appearance’ if the onlooker couldn’t see a person in the vehicle driving or about to drive (yes very much including if all the windows are blocked!)
        
        ^NSJ975: plus readily causing such onlookers to be upset with whomever appears in or/and in control of the vehicle by they alarming even unintentionally, by making the vehicle appear not normal when which, maybe not here but sometimes, is truly bad.
        
        ^NSJ8J1: well as far as outside disturbance from the vehicle’s engine, that heavily depends on the ‘engine’s core techonlogy’:
        
        ^NSJ5XY: this may be solved (silent) on an electric vehicle
        
        ^NSNHZ4: if pure electric, it’s no problem; as we’ve got plenty of electricty –except the question becomes where to recharge, which could be a serious one for vehicle living.
        
        ^NSNHZ4: if a hybrid, well all the engines there I’ve seen to generate electricty have been noisy.
        
        ^NSJ8Y4: but seeming all practical combustion engines, when running, are readily heard else felt/smelled by nearby humans.
        
        ^NSNDQX: But even if/where the engine disturbance is removed (as happens at least sometimes in electric vehicles), interior air heating & cooling at max level (which is sometimes needed on very hot days and perhaps very cold) is still noisy in all vehicles I’ve seen to levels which aren’t acceptable to the vehicle dweller
        
        ^NSND2B: which is unfortunately enough noise that any person walking alongside the vehicle will think ‘hey, that vehicle’s on, so somebody must be in it’
        
        ^NSNECQ: indeed it typically sounds typically distinquishable from the vehicle engine idle, and again any vehicle with its engine running is readily dangerous.
        
        ^NSNDFR: why
        
        ^NSND5U: likely because this level of noise optimization wasn’t done as these accessories (1) don’t make too much noise inside, (2) were designed to be run when driving (so outside wind noise covers) and not usually when parked for extended periods including definitely not with such steath use.
        
        ^NSNDAM: while electric heating elements are silent, plus fans with some work, it may take quite work to make a larger refrigeration compressor quiet (though it seems to be accomplished for refrigerators & freezers, though perhaps, due to their excellent refrigeration, these appliances require much smaller compressors)
        
        ^NSNFF0: second, automobiles aren’t designed for such non-driving efficiency and extra electrical loads, so ‘for seemingly every entirely-combustion automobile, it will fail in efficiency and {probably quantity though quantity is sometimes fixable}’ but it seems inadvertantly electric automobiles can still have no problems here.
        
        ^NSNGOF: Note for air heating & cooling, we’re not asking for any more area be covered for vehicle living, just the same vehicle interior (unless the vehicle has been extended, as happens for RVs, but that is beyond the scope of this post), so on any quality vehicle, the quantity (total area) of air heating & cooling needed should not be a problem.
        
        ^NSIZBU: but for seemingly every entirely-combustion automobile, it will fail in efficiency and {probably quantity though quantity is sometimes fixable}
        
        ^NSJJUI: it is very inefficient, specifically you burn (so also polute from) a lot of gasoline
        
        ^NSIZER: as electricty and air heating & cooling comes from the the engine (which generally can’t be changed) which is sized for moving the vehicle and it’s cargo, which takes ~100x more energy than these other needs combined, and a normal automative combustion engine at idle still uses about ~1/3rd the fuel of full load.
        
        ^NSIZHY: still, if we ignore the enviornment (bad), with all the money saved from vehicle living, one probably could well afford the extra gasoline,
        
        ^NSJJW6: as far as electricity, it probably won’t produce sufficient extra exlectrity to run our significant additonal loads unless certain vehicle alternatons, as non-electric vehicle generally needs very little electicity
        
        ^NSNH3O: especially since its raw cooling & heating of interior air (everything but the air blower) is also driven by the engine
        
        ^NSJKCM: specifically the ‘vehicle’s alternator’ system, at least factory, is probably speced to just run be able to run all the built-in lights & appliances plus the 12V ~10A which can be plugged into the lighter
        
        ^NSJKEA: to mimimize vehicle cost and probably maximizze MPG
        
        ^NSJKFB: specifically, both:
        
        ^NSJJX5: tuning: the alternator is probably not tuned to do its maximum output at the vehicle’s typical speed, which is not idle as one usually expects if the engine is on it’s because the vehicle is being driven,
        
        ^NSJK18: and reving the engine, as by having a stick/brick on the gas pettal, makes tremendous attention-getting noise (obvious to everyone unusual for a non-moving vehicle) and could (haven’t tried it) overheat the engine
        
        ^NSJK45: the alternator is probably sized to be just big enough to, and not at idle but the tuned average speed, produce just enough to cover all the built in fused electrical loads, not the additional loads we want to add.
        
        ^NSJKNO: alternator up-sizing & retuning (enough to seriously supply ‘the electricity’)
        
        ^NSJGYE: I’ve heard of it done and plan to try but so far haven’t found it easy.
        
        ^NSJLG2: The upgrade is probably not worth it if costs >$1000.
        
        ^NSJKYT: does this make sense to do?
        
        ^NSJKZ4: upsizing the alternator output still won’t solve the worst problem, so the big question is, when having some load as refrigerator or freezer to be kept running, and each day that runs without power added takes 1 max-size marine battery to run which weighs ~60lbs, and those batteries take >4 hours to charge (less if in parallel), so the big question is, will the vehicle be driven at least x hours every ~3 days?
        
        ^NSJL8J: where x is probably around 8 hours
        
        ^NSJL9C: if Yes
        
        ^NSJLEF: That seems rare: you’re an Uber driver or somehow also drive this vehicle for work, else to your work 5x/week at least ~1.2 hour each way.
        
        ^NSJLEM: In this case, it could be worth doing this upgrade.
        
        ^NSJKQV: If No, then the upgrade may be ok as a backup, not as a primary
        
        ^NSNFJD: still, good news, on electric automobiles, we should be able to get around these problems in pure-combustion vehicles
        
        ^NSNGE0: if the air heating & cooling pumps and fans have their own electric motors & electric heating-elements instead of depending on the vehicle’s big propolusion motor, as is feeling the norm for electric vehicles, then they can be run efficiency (by now running them without running any big motors as the propolusion or big-electricty-generator motors)
        
        ^NSNHQI: The reason (as to why the air heating & cooling would be powered by all electric in an electric vehicle) is this: the vehicle being electric, the propulsion is electric by definition plus (the norm) we want be able to turn that big motor off when in idle (so now we can say idle is free in this big way) so we do so, and to get that huge electricity especially ithout the present woes of huge batteres we may also have some chemical fuel motor but, especially if mechanical (so turning a generator) we also we also don’t want that running all the time either so we switch that off, too, but now we have regularly nothing spinning at idle but we still want air heating & cooling so then, with no no mechanical spinning they can feed off (as with a pure combution vehicle) but loads of electricty, we make now run on just pure electricty, too.
        
        ^NSNH84: and if the vehicle is a hybrid, it will have enormous ability to generate electricity, especially for its propulsion but also for all this air heating & cooling, so
        
        ^NSNHUH: getting virtully unlimited electricy, generated as much or as little as we need, is already done, so should not be a problem (if we know how to wire in)
        
        ^NSNHUS: but again the electric generation noise seems a problem.
    2. ^NSJ4ZL: so, until it becomes both acceptable & common to live from vehicles, the present rule is: when not driving, as far as the vehicle engine’s running being detectable (sound, movement, or/and fumes) by any person outside the vehicle (who might not be fine with that), really avoid that,
      1. ^NSJ9P2: which pretty much means don’t do it: it’s a big No no.
      2. ^NSJ9PF: ways to avoid that include, from biggest:
        
        ^NSJ9TJ: find otherwise to get these needs instead of by running any combustion engine: get your heating or cooling or electricity
        
        ^NSJA7D: by using quitest core engine technology: best is fuel cells.
        
        ^NSJA43: though low-power efficient body heating & cooling.
        
        ^NSJ9Y8: from solar
        
        ^NSJ9ZN: from AC extension cord
        
        ^NSJA21: while having a vehicle plugged easily alarms people, that’s not as bad as any vehicle with strange sounds, lights, or smells.
        
        ^NSJ9Y0: instead you going into else adjacent buildings & use theirs (most every restail store heats & cools their patrons, plus some resturants as Starbucks give you an electrical plug for small devices)
        
        ^NSI22D: park (the few places) where & when it will be ok: see ‘low hastle parking for vehicle livers’.
  3. ^NSI2RV: ‘low hastle parking for vehicle livers’
    1. ^NSI4RR: the most core thing is to not have any appearance of living from especially sleeping in your vehicle, so:
      1. ^NSI4WV: a great technique (which I did & do routinely), is do all my work & play & listening to muic/radio & watching shows from my vehicle where that was toleratble (see list below), then just as I was about to sleep, brush my teeth & similar then drive my vehicle a short distance away not visible from the first location and into a quite & safe spot (as usually middle-class residence street parking), and there park and dead silent & unseen sleeping in my vehicle, then, as soon as I woke up, immediately drive to another nearby place, similar to the 1st but not rarely the same, where I could be work & play and start my day including my morning routine (as dress, work on stuff, etc)
      2. ^NSI5C1: and, as seemed prudent, I always kept moving (as chaing places about 5x per day), indeed I avoided returning to the same place more than 1 time per week (unless I was sure there was no problem returning there, as say I was specially authorized there as the gym or storage or a school I was attending).
        
        ^NSI5KT: This probably sounds hard but it mostly wasn’t very bad.
        
        ^NSI5O6: The key is every time I needed to drive to someplace else, which usually had to naturally do a few times a day, I used that as opportunity to park someplace else, explore someplace a little distance away.
        
        ^NSI5P3: However, I tend to be monofocused, so at times when I had a big project I was really focusing on straight for a whole day or several days, having to constantly find a new place was disruptive, so then I would usually go to my storage which I had arrange 24 hour access to and stay there all day, and just park in some random nearby spot during the for sleep, or as later I dicovered they didn’t really care about my spending the night there, just stay parked there. I was their only customer (of several hundred) who did this, and I don’t know if other storage places would have allowed it. However in hindsight a key reason I did it was because I had an AC plug there and quite dependent on it as I didn’t have the efficent solar & refrigration of today; today that seems it probably would not be a factor.
    2. ^NSI2T7: from the least hastle (just go down the list till you find one matching):
      1. ^NSI2VT: RV parks & campsites: full freedom plus often utilities –problem is there are few and they are generally very expensive
      2. ^NSI3PH: your 24 hour storage parking –it’s just hard to get such, and you may often not be near it.
      3. ^NSI3CH: a driveway or business parking lot you’ve been given access to be & work in
      4. ^NSI2UI: very rural parking –problem is, that’s probably not remotely nearby
      5. ^NSI2QN: Walmart parking –you can come & go & work & sleep freely there (though it’s still a good idea to hide the appearance of living from the vehicle)
      6. ^NSI48J: Home Depot parking –you can come & go and work frely there and into the night, but don’t stay for a more than a few days and don’t appear to be living from the vehicle.
      7. ^NSI25T: store(s) open & busy, but with reasonable free parking, while & where you park
        
        ^NSI35D: consequently late night have to take a late night store, as a 24 hour diner
      8. ^NSI29K: your 24 hour gym or your work or storage parking lot or in a friend’s parking lot or driveway, so where you can show yourself ok to be there when the security comes knocking.
      9. ^NSI3N7: business street parking –you might get trouble from a police patrol, but if low key, probably fine.
      10. ^NSI26Q: a very remote lot OR vacant lot OR paid parking –but there still usually are regular police & security patrols, and if they see anyone in the vehicle doing anything other than driving or near driving, they’ll investigate
      11. ^NSI3GL: middle-class (low, middle, or upper) ungated residental street parking –but still the vehicle can not at all apeared lived from, so generally must be totally silent & unseen.
        
        ^NSJN7T: where possible, I recommend & do:
        
        ^NSJN9P: so no one knows who’s vehicle it is so suspect it somebody living there,
        
        ^NSJNA1: between buildings
        
        ^NSJNAE: by an aparment complex else a multi-residence house
        
        ^NSJNB6: off to the side and avoiding by walkways & driveways to the street and mailboxes
      12. ^NSI3FV: a small closed business overnight —you might be able to be a little noiser but, when they open, if they any unknown vehcle there (as you’re still there), you’ll proabably have trouble.
      13. ^NSI3TN: residental wealthy or gated street parking, even with a pass –this parking is really watched, but if you’re in not in an RV nor van and unseeable, you might get away with it
      14. ^NSI3ZS: poor or gang neighborhood sreet parking or crime time parking (like some of downlown LA at night) –you’ll likely get thieves & similar
      15. ^NSI42V: parking illegal by the government/city –obviously a no.
    3. ^NSJN5E: aside: per this topic, add this post to category ‘motor vehicle parking NR5LBI’ and ‘housing via motor vehicle NR5KZ5’
^NSCCWY: History in order:
1. ^NSCCXA: I’ve considerable background in housing via vehicles including:
  1. ^NSDMEX: In 1993 I went shopping for my 1st motorhome, like usual first-time buyers my mouth was practically druling from the beautiful interiors of the large RVs often, 32 to 45ft long with slieouts, then some guy, not the salesman, who had been owning RVs for years surprised me by saying, ‘No, [when it comes to housing, especially mobile,] smaller is better‘.
    1. ^NSDMVC: But I listened as best I could, so
      1. ^NSDNC8: I then bought one 22ft by 8ft, a Class C exactly 100% filling a full-sized parking spot. But tn terms of especially stealth & MPG, that was too big,
      2. ^NSDNCF: so a decade later I got one 20ft by 7ft (a class B, uniquely appearing like just a big van). Well in terms of expense & MPG, that was too big.
      3. ^NSDNGD: so now a decade later I’m shoting for & recommeding easy-to-buy &-apply custom extensions to an ordinary 16ft by 5.7ft station wagon!
    2. ^NSDMUJ: I guess like most people picking housing, it has & is taking me decades for this advise to really sink in!
  2. ^NSDHET: For fun & savings, I first did car living in ~2005 (~10 years ago), for ~2 months in a station wagon with a girlfriend, more details, but without the technology & my knowhow of today, so that proved fairly uncomfortable so
  3. ^NSDIK8: We quickly upgraded to a motorhome which is extremely unique in that it appeared on the outside to be a van, made possible via a Roadtrek, the BMV of Class B motorhomes, more details.
    1. ^NSDINF: Now at first I thought I had found myself steal as:
      1. ^NSDIP0: indeed for a short time I had; Roadtreks sell new for $80K to $120K, a price so high I couldn’t in good concious recommend anyone spend that much (well except instead of buying a house, as those are also typically many times overpriced –well at least in terms of the material costs). But I had managed to get one affordably thru
        
        ^NSDL8G: primarily vai a fluke (the original owner had removed the Roadtrek labels (presuably for sealth), but then the vehicle got repossed and the reposessor knew nothing of Roadtrek so just mis-thought what he respossed was some ordinary Dodge van!).
        
        ^NSDL8S: Plus I bought it when it was already 20 years old, yet still working well (probaly not rare if cared for, as Roadtreks are solidly made).
      2. ^NSDNSD: And indeed it has proven stealthy: in ~4 years of careful street parking & unofficial parking business lots, it has only been asaulted for looking like an RV 4 times, so only ~1 time per year.
      3. ^NSDIWA: and the modifications (as window tinting) at first seemed small.
      4. ^NSDLM7: and with all the excitment of being pioneering, I had a strong tollerance to deal with all the regular problems
        
        ^NSDLNZ: as constantly searching for electricity, especially to power the not-that-efficient but built-in old electric fridge, which wasn’t readily replacable as it was, and seemingly need to be, an RV fridge which cost ~9x the price of regular fridges.
    2. ^NSDIXC: But eventually I saw overall killer problems and bad investment, from generally worst first:
      1. ^NSDJQR: compared to the common car, there were still drawbacks, from most serious:
        
        ^NSDJ77: I couldn’t feel comfortable recommending Roadtreks because of their very high price; moreover it seemed highly realistic I (or generally) anyone could get another affordable Roadtrek
        
        ^NSDKCV: indeed (I neeed to remind myself) I only got one affordably due to a mis-price indeed one seemingly never to be found again
        
        ^NSDKDQ: so smuch as I loved Roadtrek’s unique top cleverness in the RV market, with its pricetag high indeed 2 to 3x the price of other motorhomes, sadly I had to face Roadtrek was still not the honorable vehicle vehicle for the masses, nor even a Tesla Motors working to the price tag down to be affordabe by the masses, but still mostly just for the wealthy with significant extra cash to burn.
        
        ^NSDJ8U: I was getting ~7 MPG when the average car got increasingly better, now 3 to 5x that, and though I could afford the extra gas (including from not having to commute every day to work), like SUVs, gas guzzlers were becoming increasingly disgusting and reasonably not socially acceptable.
        
        ^NSDJLS: Last, parking and getting auto-mechnic work was more stressful than for a car due to the motorhome aspects (though most RVs are much worse here).
      2. ^NSDJ0N: the upkeep & especially modifications proved enormosuly expensive:
        
        ^NSDKX7: not in terms of matrial cost (only a few $1000s here, though careful spending), but
        
        ^NSDKZE: labor many times more work than I had origionally imagined, indeed months of labor, indeed spanning years, that never fully came to end except ending with me just tired of doing it and now wanting to work on other projuects
        
        ^NSDL1M: and, seemingly worst of all, since I was working on a very custom base (Roadtreks, indeed the best one: Versatile), most all of these mods were tied to Roadtrek, a very rare & extremely expensive vehicle, indeed often to this particular model.
      3. ^NSDJUQ: I realized I needed to factor in loss from both vehicle accidents & age:
        
        ^NSDJ2U: I realized, especially as a vehicle instead of standard housing, it was several times more likely to be involved in a seriously destructive accident (notably an auto accident), indeed which happened to my first motorhome, and cause it to be totalled (as which also happened to my first motorhome), and likely the insurance wouldn’t cover the custom work (as happened with my first motorhome).
        
        ^NSDJ11: Already 20 years old when I bought it so to be affordable, my Roadtrek was getting old and repairs becoming increasingly expensive, and some major work (such as a total roof or engine failure, which was looking possibly imminent) could cause everything to be lost.
2. ^NSDM6V: so this my latest idea/version of again using my/a station wagon
  1. ^NSCD2I: -I came up with 2014.08 when using my station wagon to take my mother & her friend & me back home from out-of-state family reunion camping trip, so staying the night in hotels along the way ironically even though the car was already filled with camping gear, plus a trip in highly liberal Washington State including Seattle, plus Portand Oregon, filling my head more liberal & environmental ideas! Notably, could I instead be doing my sleeping using my existing inexpensive station wagon insead of camp grounds & especially hotels?
  2. ^NSCD4G: since then until the next point, I spent a few days over many months locating components.
  3. ^NSCEZ1: then since 2014.07.01~, I’ve been working full time on the design starting to build partial prototypes
  4. ^NSDER8: much more to come
^NSDEWH: ‘my motivation for expressing this’:
1. ^NSDEWK: I want to build one myself, and try living from it, and am doing so.
2. ^NSDEXO: I want to enable most anyone who wants this to have it, including…
  1. ^NSDEZZ: to help them
  2. ^NSDF0W: to have we such people desiring this to help each other and benefit from collective intelligence, as the technical, social, & legal challenges are hard.
  3. ^NSDF67: to make a business out of it that is viable
    1. ^NSDFFE: not more than 20 hours per week ongoing, as I’ve other interests.
    2. ^NSDFAQ: via one or more, from most likely:
      1. ^NSDFD5: making or/and installing these vehicle extensions for others?
        
        ^NSDFIU: –possibly
      2. ^NSDFB2: selling vehicles fully else further extended for these extra abilities?
        
        ^NSDFF2: probably not as seems too big an item for easy sale
        
        ^NSDGLW: though I’m sure existing auto & RV makers would get that if demand builds
      3. ^NSDFDZ: selling the modification plans via pay-to-get-access?
        
        ^NSDGCB: initially sounds nice since good plans here reepresent very substantial design work & testing, but
        
        ^NSDFJ6: –seemingly not, seems better to make the plans open-source, as both:
        
        ^NSDGI9: it’s seems important if not key to make it maximally easy for anyone interested in this to tinker with it and give it a try, as:
        
        ^NSDFZZ: it’s so tough to invent it could really use & may require the help of many which I & most everyone would not be able else willing to pay for.
        
        ^NSDFMC: until somewhat common, many if not most people will be a hard to sell their going this direction, including many will be opposed to general people doing this,
        
        ^NSDFKX: it’s trivial to reverse engineer including since
        
        ^NSDG6X: by design, it uses ideally no custom parts and instead affordable commonplace parts
        
        ^NSDGAR: there seems no core parts; rather every part seems key to only a faction of the whole.
^NSCCXU: “author(s) background (on the topic)”
1. ^NSCD22: considerable including in 2004 constructing an earlier version (without refrigerator & freeer) and testing it for ~2 months, and then many years of full-time urban living from a Roadtrek motorhome.
2. ^NSDERU: see my housing background detailed for the California bill.
3. ^NSDEVH: complete general background on me.
^NSDGQL: “success of this”
1. ^NSDGQU: TBA later when know.

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^NSCCCP: ‘{post.status.snapshot: date ’20150731Fri0020pst‘; after ID’ minutes 1~‘; revision ’0‘; words ’~300‘; version ’0‘; as ’want to tell folks in writing and already have verbally and now also want to tell as completing https://upverter.com/DestinyArchitect/profile/setup/?step=2 ‘What kind of hardware designs are you working on?’‘, do ’“now {via “Copy to a new draft”, so of {then latest modified post, no, most recent draft, and also most relevant post, on http://1.jothere.com/wp-admin and also, to get a reasonable template, so http://1.JotHere.com/4812#NR4KV9}, so of then its latest saved version, so with last entry “NRGVB1”} created {this here post, so” http://1.JotHere.com/4843#NSCCLD “} then cut {all its content not to be reused here, so the content just applying to the template, so all the posts’ fully stated points including their KCGUIDs}.”‘}’. ^NSD51J: starting right after, adding initial content thru ^NSE0UC: ‘{post.status.snapshot: date ’20150731Fri2206pst‘; after ID’ minutes 0~‘; revision ’1‘; words ’4506‘; version ’0.1‘; as ’>500 words added so overdue for a save‘, do ’Save Draft 1 then continue editing‘}’. ^NSFWGQ: ‘{post.status.snapshot: date ’20150801Fri2227pst‘; after ID’ minutes 0~‘; revision ’2‘; words ’6657‘; version ’0.2‘; as ’>500 words added so overdue for a save‘, do ’Save Draft 2 then continue editing‘}’. ^NSHXGL: ‘{post.status.snapshot: date ’20150803Mon0043pst‘; after ID’ minutes 1~‘; revision ’2‘; words ’8891‘; version ’0.3‘; as ’got ‘He’s dead, Jim!’‘, do ’did ‘The backup of this post in your browser is different from the version below. Restore the backup. ’ getting ‘Post restored successfully. Undo.’ and verified no data loss‘}’. ^NSI620: ‘{post.status.snapshot: date ’20150803Mon0349pst‘; after ID’ minutes 0~‘; revision ’2‘; words ’10563‘; version ’0.4‘; as ’>500 words added so overdue for a save‘, do ’Save Draft 3 then continue editing‘}’. ^NSJANL: ‘{post.status.snapshot: date ’20150803Mon1826pst‘; after ID’ minutes 0~‘; revision ’3‘; words ’12166‘; version ’0.5‘; as ’>500 words added so overdue for a save‘, do ’Save Draft 4 then continue editing‘}’. ^NSJWA6: ‘{post.status.snapshot: date ’20150804Tue0213pst‘; after ID’ minutes 1~‘; revision ’3‘; words ’13899‘; version ’0.6‘; as ’got ‘He’s dead, Jim!’‘, do ’did ‘The backup of this post in your browser is different from the version below. Restore the backup. ’ getting ‘Post restored successfully. Undo.’ and verified no data loss‘}’. ^NSJZ1S: ‘{post.status.snapshot: date ’20150804Tue0313pst‘; after ID’ minutes 1~‘; revision ’3‘; words ’14403‘; version ’0.7‘; as ’plenty more to do & complete but usable big start‘, do ’Publish #1: got std fail error message‘}’ ^NSJZEB: ‘{post.status.snapshot: date ’20150804Tue0320pst‘; after ID’ minutes 0~‘; revision ’5‘; words ’14431‘; version ’0.8‘; as ’restrying last‘, do ’did restore then add this entry then Publish #1‘}’ ^NSN6LT: ‘{post.status.snapshot: date ’20150805Wed2049pst‘; after ID’ minutes 0~‘; revision ’5‘; words ’1445‘; version ’0.8‘; as ’more additions from testing new cars‘, do ’start editing‘}’ ^NSNM07: ‘{post.status.snapshot: date ’20150806Thu0221pst‘; after ID’ minutes 0~‘; revision ’7‘; words ’16295‘; version ’0.9‘; as ’~15 min ago got ‘He’s dead, Jim!’‘, do ’did ‘There is an autosave of this post that is more recent than the version below. View the autosave’ then ‘Restore Autosave’ getting ‘Post restored to revision from August 6, 2015 @ 09:01:57 [Autosave]’ and Kdiff3 to verify; then got ‘The backup of this post in your browser is different from the version below. Restore the backup.‘ but as most recent text here, ignored and continued editing‘}’. ^NT39H5: ‘{post.status.snapshot: date ’20150814Fri1312pst‘; after ID’ minutes 0~‘; revision ’9‘; words ’17880‘; version ’0.10‘; as ’now starting to edit got ‘There is an autosave of this post that is more recent than the version below. View the autosave‘ so did that getting ‘Autosave by DestinyArchitect1 week ago (6 Aug @ 21:28′ which indeed was newer so Restore to that getting ‘Post restored to revision from August 6, 2015 @ 21:28:04 [Autosave]’‘, do ’continue editing with intent to stop & Update quick‘}’. ^NT3A9L: ‘{post.status.snapshot: date ’20150814Fri1329pst‘; after ID’ minutes 0~‘; revision ’9‘; words ’17997‘; version ’0.11‘; as ’much more work to do here but I’ve now got other work to do‘, do ’Update then pause editing‘}’. TBA complete draft 1 except now: spellcheck & {update IDs to latest format: ~239 replacements}
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